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Suggestion to alert Fanonbenders faster

I'm not sure if I read somewhere that this is technically a requirement (I might be getting it mixed up with the FRS), but I feel like many of our active members here don't see the new topics on the talk page right away. Instead of notifying them to check or waiting for them to see the changes, do you think we should stress for all members to follow this page? I'm thinking that the delays that last more than a few days come up because some of us aren't notified by email. Just a thought... --MinnichiDai Li Sprite 21:04, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose the delay to respond to this offers further evidence in support of your motion. I agree. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 19:17, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea, as we can see here. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:27, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

'Request for Membership' voting

After speaking with Minnichi, we have thought of an amendment to the current way we vote to accept or deny requests for membership. The way it is now, the voting ends 24 hours after the last vote, no matter how many members have not voted. According the rule, if half of the members who made the deadline support, they are accepted, but if half are opposed, they are rejected. Think about that. If half support, then obviously half oppose… It just doesn't make sense. We are proposing the following rules:

  • Members will have 3 weeks after the application, rather than 24 hours after the last vote, to cast their vote.
  • If an applicant receives a support vote from the majority of members at any point, they are accepted.
  • If all members vote or the deadline has passed and the vote is tied, the applicant is rejected.

Thoughts? Omashu Rocks/sig 02:21, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm all for this proposal. The current rules probably aren't even valid, considering that Acer wrote them without any supports from the others. But 24 hours is definitely too short to just count everyone who hasn't voted out of the decision; 3 weeks seems more suitable. And I most strongly agree with the tie rule; it'd make more sense to accept a fanonbender under majority, and it's the most community-like way of handling the decision. I think these rules should be official because they ensure the most fair participation from current members when it comes time to decide on a new fanonbender. Not to mention we need an official set of rules since the current is kind of invalid... --MinnichiDai Li Sprite 03:51, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with pretty much everything, but I think three weeks is too long. I don't think any more than two weeks should be needed for the simple evaluation and voting on a given application. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 05:49, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
I also suggested 2 weeks at first, but we realized that many school breaks tend to last for 2 weeks at a time. A user could be on vacation without wiki access during that period, so that's how it became 3. But I'm fine with either one, honestly. --MinnichiDai Li Sprite 15:32, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
I too agree with all of this, but three weeks is definitely too long. How about 10 days? That's a good amount of time. Not quite two weeks, but more than one full week, because I think two weeks is also a little too long. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsFOTHParallel)Appa Sprite 21:50, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
I will come down to two weeks. Can we agree on that and everything else so we can make this a rule as soon as possible? Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 00:06, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm settling for two weeks as well. So, this makes a majority agreement on the rules and time limits. Are we good?
--MinnichiDai Li Sprite 00:58, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

If indeed we do all agree, I'd like to propose a second idea. We should start voting in private, via email. The way it is now, outsiders, including the applicant, can argue our votes and disturb the application process. Doing this via email would eliminate that unnecessary frustration. All we'd have to do would be to pick one person to email all of our votes, and maybe the grand vote recipient and tallier could rotate each time or something. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 02:04, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with all of you. I'm sorry for creating the rule without permission from all of us Fanonbenders. And also I would like to apologize because I went inactive all in sudden without saying any word, and just let the Fanon Portal barren. I'm sorry. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 08:41, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

News and updates

It looks like this page is outdated and nobody take a care about it. I have two ideas, to:

  1. Delete the page because there is no any rule that manage that page. We don't have standard for that page, so delete it. Moreover, almost all of the fanons there are discontinued and finished, or...
  2. Re-design the page, update and give advertisement on both WLS and BSST about it for a constant time. And also, of course, adding standards for news and updates. It could be have at least 5 chapters written, or it's unfinished etc. Thoughts, guys? Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 08:41, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
The page itself had an alright purpose, it's just that we stopped updating it and the format got kind of screwy due to being cluttered with different fanons, most of which had different formats. If we were to resurrect the page, it would look a lot cleaner if it was more standardized with similar formatting. Of course, that's tricky to do unless the authors themselves resolve to use similar formats, which many might not want to do. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 23:39, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Fanon Portal

Hey guys, just want to propose two things as we know today is the first day of May:

  1. We start to arguing all-about Fanon Awards councilship, as I saw the notice that the request will be opened in May. E-mailings could be the best for now.
  2. Give the Fanon Sub Module page link to the Fanon Portal main page. Maybe it's uncommon and rarely seen active page, and not every fanon authors could use that, but it's hard to find it and the link will be a great navigation.

And to sum up that those proposals above (not these two, but the News and updates, Notice, etc etc.) need consensus as some Fanonbenders didn't give their votes. Thanks. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 13:37, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


Fanonbending

Another proposal, please reply; The fanonbending image has been barren for a month I think, no active nomination, no active voting session. This might help people to have attention to the page if we change the setting: The archived nomination is only the voting supports, the nomination words aren't included. I mean, look at Moon Drops. It has archived voting phase one and open voting phase two, but the nomination stays unarchived. It could help people read the compliment easier, perhaps. . . Thoughts? AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 12:37, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

What Acer means is that we should be consistent and have all nominated fanons adapt the same format as Moon Drops on that page. If you look, you'll see that the little introductory paragraph written by the very first nominator stays visible above all the voting. Not all fanons have this, and for many you'll simply see a bunch of collapsed completed nominations beneath the header. I agree that each fanon, including the fanonbending-master status ones, should have this little snippet of info at the top. It gives a better feel for the overall voting with that little intro, as opposed to just collapsed votes. So I'm all for this proposal. --MinnichiDai Li Sprite 12:56, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
I'm all for consistency. Plus, activity has suffered a decline on that page this year. If people are going there for the first time, the first nomination of a fanon is a lot more to go off of than simply the title of the fanon, so I support. Also, whether or not they vote, they may decide to read the fanon itself, which is another plus. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 14:14, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out Acer. I agree with the majority here (that really doesn't happen to often) and I don't have much too add. I think this new system could win the nominated fanons an extra reader or two, like ARG mentioned. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 01:00, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Per everyone. The nomination should be seen so people can try and not say the exact same thing as the nominator. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsFOTHParallel)Appa Sprite 21:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Yes check Done AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:58, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Fanon Portal Slider

I'd like to propose for change the image of the current slider image,File:Sozin's Comet Slider.png to another one. It's not flawed, and nothing is wrong with the current image. But it stands for nothing, it can't represent the Fanon Portal well, imo. So, I think we should change the current image to this image, let me give the explanation: The proposed image is taken from Sokka's Master episode where Sokka was learning how to write properly with Master Piandao. He readying himself to write, though later the result is randomly poor, but the screenshot can -though not perfect- represent the Fanon Portal well. Any opinions, thoughts, or new image proposal will be appreciated. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 15:37, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree with the proposed change. I think the current one represents Aang looking out into the distance, unsure of what's awaiting him or the challenges he will face. It represents the mystery the huge world involved in writing. When one writes, he/she is exploring a massive, often unfamiliar world with unpredictable hurdles to jump over. In reading, no one knows just where they will end up or what they will discover. For that reason, I think the current image perfectly illustrates what the fanons on our portal are all about. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 19:12, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Per OR, who summed it up beautifully. I personally like the current image because to me, it represents imagination very well. It really gives off the "possibilities are endless" vibe that characterizes story, and a technical picture of someone literally writing has less life to it and comes across more as academic. The current picture captures the creative aspect of writing, which is what separates our fanon portal content from the rest of the wiki articles. --MinnichiDai Li Sprite 01:30, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
I also disagree per OR and Minnichi. The proposed image isn't bad, and we could always hold onto it in case we later find something it's suited for, but as far as the whole fanon portal goes, I prefer the vibe of the unexplored world of creativity than something focusing on the mere act of writing. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 14:15, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
OR perfectly summed up it up. You never really know what you're going to find or read in the Fanon Portal, and you don't know what Aang is looking at. So I disagree with them. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsFOTHParallel)Appa Sprite 14:46, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Advertising Contest

Hi! I want to write a response for Changing fates, but the submissions page is still on the previous promoted fanon. When do you plan to change the page?


TheLoKnessmonster Sokka-sprite 22:03, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes check Done. Sorry for the lateness, I didn't notice that page that fast. ^^" Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 10:06, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

New topic

hi i was wonderinf if you could have my fanon Avatar: Tales of the World added to the Fanon news and updates page thanks!! Midori122407 21:08, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

In/activity

Okay, for such a vital usergroup, this one is rather inactive, aside from the monthly/bi-monthly FFS/FFA and FAS rotation. I'm proposing several changes. I understand that everyone (including myself) is incredibly busy, however as OR pointed out, we need to be committed, and show that committment by actually fanonbending, you know? I propose a more regimented approach - that is, I think that we should be doing more work in the spelling/grammar/punctuation aspect of this group, not just the flash, fancy stuff that everyone sees.
Thus, I propose a change in the way we do things. To be honest, I have no idea how things work, but it doesn't seem as though you do it in any kind of order, so here goes:

  • Every two weeks, we pick a fanon to work on.
  • For those two weeks, the grammar, punctuation, spelling and sentence structure (yes? Sentence structure?) will be updated to better-than-'just-acceptable' English standards, and we move on.
  • Some stories may need longer than the two week time frame, and as long as each member has contributed to the updateing of the fanon to acceptable levels, and it's obvious that two weeks won't be enough (such as with Gingalover's fanon), time can be extended.
  • The next fanon to revamp will be chosen in either one of two fashions - we either take turns to pick an active one (or inactive, depending on different factors), or vote as a group. I myself am more in favour of the first option, as then we don't have to waste time. We will get to all the fanons eventually anyway.
  • If a user is unable to commit to updating a fanon, he/she needs to leave an acceptable response ie. anything that would result in lack of internet for that time.
  • If that user does not commit several times, without leaving an appropriate reason, they are probably not the best user to have on this group, and membership should be debated.

Thoughts, comments, arguments, queries? Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 12:44, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

People on this wiki have a very interesting way of making me realize how dumb I am. I see now that perhaps I was completely wrong with my vote. I'm all in favor of everything in this proposal. I think this is a really great idea, Fruipit, and I love how it 1) makes slacking impossible, and 2) forces us to work together as a team. As for the individual questions within your proposal, I'm not so sure about the sentence structure part of the first bullet point. At first as I was all for it, but I soon realized that many authors employ intentionally incorrect sentence structure as a way of expressing their style. The way writers structure sentences is an art, so I don't really think it can be "wrong." Other than that, I'm all with you on the first option for choosing the next fanon. Voting would take too much time. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 20:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
I'd also like to add a small amendment to the proposal. As Minnichi pointed out to me, simply editing people's fanons can easily turn into "babysitting" lazy authors. Perhaps just editing won't actually make them better writers and therefore we'll need to keep coming back and offering help. Are you all aware of the "teach a man to fish" parable? I see it as this: simply editing is giving the man a fish, but we really also need to teach him how to fish himself. I think we should message the author we are currently helping with advice and tips. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 20:39, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
I'm in favor as well, but as OR said I'm not too keen on tidying up a fanon for a random author who may or may not even care about their quality. Authors who truly desire better quality will most likely seek it out themselves, as there's no shortage of users here who are willing to become editors and grammar checkers. I'm aware that there are those who don't realize help is there, but since there are endless low-quality fanons in the portal, I suggest that we try to prioritize the ones with authors who genuinely value their story. --MinnichiDai Li Sprite 23:53, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
If I make a suggestion then: the stories of Gingalover could use some help. She puts effort in them, which is notable due to the fact that each character has their own speech pattern, depending on their origin, but her grammar and spelling skills are a bit below average. Though since her stories are still going -even though not many people seem to read them, I'd say she's pretty committed to them and could benefit from the help. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:34, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Fanon Advertisement System

I was chatting with Minnichi, and we both agreed that the current FAS operation is a bit ineffective. We came to the conclusion that the reason the system isn't much good is that too many fanons are advertised, not enough information is given about the fanons that are advertised, and there is no requirement for an author to have his/her story added to the rotation. Because of this, a user who sees the advertisements really has no reason to actually check out any of the fanons. All the potential readers see is a picture and a caption, and they see lots of pictures and captions… too many in my opinion. They don't see a plot description, a setting, FRS review scores, or even a genre. Any old schmuck can have the main image and slogan of their story put on that page. That means there's nothing "special" about being advertised, so there's nothing "special" about the fanons. Therefore, there is nor reason to read the advertised fanons over the non-advertised fanons, making the advertisement system obsolete. To remedy this, we have come up with a few solutions.

  • We need some sort of requirement to be advertised, to both shrink the amount of advertised fanons and give some validity to the advertisements. Minnichi suggested that fanons should have to have at least one review from the Fanon Review Squad, so that we can post comments and a score as part of the ad. This also helps with our low-info problem.
  • There could be a (show) tab containing a plot description, written by us. All a user would have to do would be to click to the button to see what the story is actually about, something they can't do now. I think we should write the plots ourselves because in many cases we'll make it sound more interesting than the actual author.
  • Perhaps we need some sort of way of making sure we are keeping up with our duties to the FAS, like we do with other responsibilities.
  • I have an idea that I didn't discuss with Minn: Maybe we could take completed/inactive/discontinued fanons out of the FAS rotation to make more room???

If you have any other ideas or comments, please share! Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 23:30, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

  • I'm not in the Fanonbenders...but I have been repeating this idea for what seems to be forever: the award for writing a synopsis should be the actual advertisement of one's fanon. Ty Mako-chao3 Nirvana 01:01, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Avatar: New Universe

Hey guys, so I just finished looking over all the chapters on my list. I don't have any extra time now, but I can look at some of the non-chapter pages later if need be. Today was technically the last day of our working on this particular story, but we haven't got another one yet, so I think we can extend a couple days if need be. I know that Fruipit said she had done nine chapters, but wouldn't be able to do the other six, which we still have to make an arrangement for. OR and Minn, how you guys holding up? --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:13, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Suggested Change in FFS/FFA Voting System

Hello everyone. As we all know, there is a rule when it comes to UoTM voting that states there must be a waiting period of (3 days?) before any votes can be cast. I suggest we add that same rule, or a similar one, to the voting procedures for FFS and FFA. The way it is now, votes can easily be cast for the first fanon/fanon article nominated, and this series/article can take an early lead that is nearly impossible to beat before another nomination is even made. If we make the system more like the UoTM, there would be a chance for more than one nomination to be made before anyone is allowed to vote. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 23:44, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, but this is not for the fanonbenders to decide, but for the community, since the FFA/FFS is a community voting system. As such, this proposal needs to pass the War Room. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:48, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
I had a hunch it should go there. Thank the good Lord for copy and paste. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 23:51, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Prompt for February

Alright, the judging has been completed and I have finished typing out the blog for next month. The only thing needed before I click publish is to resolve the prompt for next contest. Since it's February, maybe we should do something with romance in it. How about we ask the contestants to "create, develop or ruin" a romance between two characters? --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 01:44, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm down for that. I would also prefer to use the other wiki to decide such things, too, if no one has a problem with that. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 02:01, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
Okay we can use that next time. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:16, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, well, we don't //have to. It just might be easier ^^" Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 14:14, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Featured fanon

Could someone of the group please update this month's featured fanon and revert the featured article note back to the general one about how to elect a featured fanon? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:31, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yes check Done --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 20:49, March 6, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks :-) Though related to this, the Avatar Wiki:Featured fanon series and Avatar Wiki:Featured fanon articles could use some updating too, both from 2015 as 2016. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:24, March 8, 2016 (UTC)