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[edit] New Image Source

This subject stems from the previous one pertaining to .png files. I think that we should replace our entire image collection with ones from Iroh.org. This includes all the images that are labeled "Avatar Spirit.net" or "Nick" on the bottom. Iroh.org may just be the best place to get images I've seen so far; that and piandao,org. If anyone knows another good site, please share. Energybender 19:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this has been suggested before, and I'm going to say now what I said then: Iroh.org has great screenshots but the don't have very many of them for a lot of episodes, especially the early ones. If you can find a good replacement screenshot from there, go right ahead. But we shouldn't delete a perfectly good screenshot if we can't find a replacement from there. Violentred.net (no www.) is a good place for medium-quality jpg's that don't have the AvatarSpirit logo, and the manager of that site is totally cool with us using her shots. Also, Piandao.org and Iroh.org have exactly the same screenshots. Puragus Talk 07:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

If we can't get certain pictures from iroh.org, could we get them from another website like avatarspirit.net. It has a good screenshot of Azula's Ship Captain. Vaznock 01:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course. Iroh.org is the preferred image supply, but if it doesn't have the one you're looking for, there's absolutely no rule against uploading images from elsewhere. The 888th Avatar - Talk 01:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

True. I've uploaded lots of images from violentred.net. A Good site with lots of screenshots, and the owner is totally cool with us using them. Puragus Talk 04:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

That is convenient. Do you think they are better than iroh.org, though? --Energybender 22:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Iroh.org/Piandao.org has better quality screenshots, and so should be the preferred image source. However, if they don't have the image we're looking for, Violentred.net should be the next preferred. The 888th Avatar - Talk 22:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

So what's the verdict. A while ago I suggested making a template to put on image pages that should be re-uploaded in a better format. How about we do that, and I'll even see about botting it to all images that have a jpg format or whatever. Sound good? Joey - Talk Contribs 23:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

That sounds good. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Animal Connections

An IP has been adding detailed information about real-world animals as a connection to the animal subject of the article. In my opinion, this is information that people would be better off searching in Wikipedia, and we should drastically shorten such sections. For example, see Cabbage Slug. The 888th Avatar - Talk 14:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

But doesn't it improve the article by expanding it? I mean before this guy came through, some of these articles were one sentence at best. AlexTalk 03:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
But the information isn't relevant. The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Could we try to filter the non-relevant info from the rest of it? AlexTalk 03:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
That's what I want. The 888th Avatar - Talk 03:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Do we have any specific policy regarding keeping images that aren't used? If not, I would be happy to delete all the images mentioned in Special:UnusedImages. What do you guys think? Joey - Talk Contribs 02:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Not that I know of. Most of them are jpg and are just waiting to be deleted. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 02:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, my bot can do them all quite quickly, so that would ease a lot of trouble. Joey - Talk Contribs 02:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't your bot need admin powers as well? I find it strange that it can operate without them. Also, I've discovered that we can block each other and ourselves. I'm curious as to the purpose of especially the second option. --Energybender 02:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
It's funny, isn't it? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 03:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Ya, my bot does need admin power, but I run it on my account to perform admin tasks, as the only other way would be to make my bot an admin. So, when he runs on my account, he can do admin tasks, but they won't be hidden like usual. And ya, we can block each other, yet unblock ourselves too so it is pointless. Both are pointless and mere passes in MediaWiki software to keep it simple. Joey - Talk Contribs 10:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing for Chinese Characters on Pages

Can someone provide me with sources for the Chinese names of many characters e.g. Azula? If we can't find a source for them, I'll have to remove them. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 14:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Writings shown in the show. - Zero - Talk 14:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but where? A screenshot, maybe? For example, I don't remember Azula's or Suki's names ever being written. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 15:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Uploading Images

Please refrain from uploading images unless they will be used immediately. People who upload images and don't use them make my life difficult because I'm not sure whether or not to delete them. This is not a screenshot source, it is a wiki. If the screenshots (not the logos and icons etc.) in Special:UnusedImages are still unused in 48 hours, I will delete them. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 01:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Links

Recently, a user Robotech Master has been adding a lot of Wikipedia links. I'm not sure if we should get rid of some of them, because there are quite a lot, but they're useful and we don't have articles for them. Thoughts? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 03:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the links are not necessary. Sometimes the uses of the plants and flowers in the real world don't have the same uses in the World of Avatar. Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 14:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't mind the links, as long as they're correct, I see no problem in keeping them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

But we should prefer links to other wikia over links to wikipedia whenever we can. Like the Star Wars and Luke Skywalker links on Ozai's Page, shouldn't we? - Zero - Talk 04:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. I already converted links to Wikipedia on Aang to ones for Wikia. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 06:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Great. So... do we have an acord? LOL. - Zero - Talk 07:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

This discussion was resolved. The result of this discussion was:
Links to Wikipedia are fine in limited amounts, but linking to another Wikia wiki is always preferred.
If you wish to restart this discussion, please post under a new subheading below.

[edit] Image Replacement

All of these .jpg images on this wiki make it look less appealing. I was wondering if I could get permission to replace all of the .jpg pages that can also be found on iroh.org with the ones from ....iroh.org. I've been doing this lately, and I think it would be best if I just got outright permission to replace them all at once. Vaznock 22:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

We've had problems finding replacements for some images. If you can find replacements, then good. If not, don't just replace them with any picture. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 22:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a second. PNG files are certainly better than JPG files because of the lossless compression factor. However, replacing every JPG with PNGs doesn't necessarily entail an improvement. There are JPG files with minimum compression artifacts, when done properly. And some PNG files from external sources are not always a better alternative. I'm specifically referring to Image:Councilelder.png and Image:Nomads 001.jpg. The latter doesn't have any perceivable compression artifact that would justify a replacement with a PNG file that not only has incorrect ratio, but also has unadjusted levels of color (the orange is way off). Basically, what I'm saying is that when dealing with images, we can't oversimplify the issue by saying "JPG = bad, PNG = good." ― Thailog 20:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I did not understand what you just said. Luvingazula - Talk 21:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I have a related concern. There are images that were uploaded solely for voting purposes on Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Toph's talk pages. If these haven't already been deleted, should they? Just let me know and I can do it. Thanks. --Energybender 23:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Energy: Yes, delete those. Others: That's true, jpg doesn't equal bad and png doesn't equal good, so take care when uploading image replacements. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

As mentioned on IRC, the welcome template image should be replaced, because it is a jpg image. I'm not sure where we've gotten our logo/template images in the past, so someone needs to look for it. --Energybender 03:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

  • It doesn't seem like there's much more to say about this. Just to finalize, I uploaded the PNG version of this file so that you can see how the difference sometimes is imperceivable, if not even non-existent. ― Thailog 12:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Location images

This, for example, is one of the images that I think should not be marked a location image because it has a focus on Suki and Ty Lee battling, not the Boiling Rock.

I think that this category should only be used on images with a primary focus on a location. All images have a location in them, so ones like this should not be marked as a location image. Vaznock 20:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds good. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 23:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unnamed Characters

Suggestion: Character list of unnamed characters such as the Bully Guard and the Little Boy. All characters of this nature should appear under the title of Unnamed Character in there faction (in the case of above in Fire Nation) They already do, but to me it is not good house keeping to file them in that way - maybe/not? If that goes no where, it may be worth considering a page (list) of unnamed characters and link them. It would be an asset on the basis that people can use this information in research and the like. --Piandao

I somewhat agree. I am against the wiki just making up a name for a character that has no official name. I think that we might need come up with some form of categorization for these types of articles but, I'm not sure how we should do it. I think the community needs to get involved in this one. I think this is pretty important. --Mattkenn3 Talk 18:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Didn't sign the above --Piandao 18:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Credits of any film are listed in the same way, I'm just bringing it to attention as a matter of house keeping - general tidying up! Considering that a character is expanded upon here, it makes sense to categorise accordingly! --Piandao 18:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The "unnamed characters" had been named according the names given by the page of Nick.com. Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 19:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Agrred Dcasawang1 -they are named that way and we can't 'Name' them differently, but we can improve the appearance by logging them as minor/unnamed characters - and a page of nameless characters too. Is it objectionable? I'm may not be clear perhaps. They will never be named, they should not be filed the way a cast list of film credits read, especially as they have additional info posted here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Piandao (talk • contribs)

[edit] Quote Readability for Characters

Earth King for example. Black text on dark green background. I propose white on green like in the character profile box. Also see Katara, it works well on blue! I am very keen on the fire nation character quote block either - not that great for me and would welcome support on that also, I can't say that white on that shade of red/pink would work. Can someone else propose mods there? So guys can we make an old man very happy or a happy man very old?

I know I'm bring attention to my age and poor eyesight that came with it. Also my memory fails me and I forget where my glasses are (not on my head - that's a little further away). Also not all conditions are ideal (natural lighting and reading from hand-held technology/gadgets in daylight - nothing more natural). --Piandao 10:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Real World Symbol - Appearances

I have found this symbol around various pages and to me it is not appropriate... Aang's School Days, Appa's Lost Days, Avatar Day, The Avatar State, The Drill, etc. Can I assume an error? --Piandao Talk 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

It's because they are episodes of the real world. Except Aang's School Days, it's a book of the real world. Dcasawang1 - Talk - Contributions 22:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Trying to take that on board. I'm definitely missing a link somewhere. The real world and the Avatar world are linked ? Maybe it's just the way it's been agreed originally. It is misleading. Appa's Lost Days and the Drill are not actually related ot the real world at all - the symbol either needs to change or be applied for what it should represent. I'm I alone in this confusion?--Piandao Talk 23:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the articles are about a book or an episode. Those were made in the real world. It's not as if Aang decided to call his adventures on the drill "The Drill", for example. They are supposed to be written from a real world perspective; that is, the classic Wikipedia out of universe style. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 05:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Can we sum this up somehow please - the fiction from other media ie, not the original series, are "real world". Is that a summary - either way it amounts to fiction and is misleadings. They can be labeled other media or something that is applicable. For me the "real world" label will be misleading and that is going to confuse others too. I'd like to understand the definition of Avatar wiki's real world. It seems to define it's self as a connection, which should be applicable to an item or actor, director etc rather than what looks like an episode - To me the Drill can not be a "real world" episode/item/reference. Does this make sense? *He asks in anticipation* --Piandao Talk 08:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

No, "real world" is any article written from a real world perspective, as in our world's perspective. All episode articles are real world articles, because they are episodes, created in the real world for a real world audience. All movie, cast crew and actor articles are also real world, because they document an object or being in our world. Same with the episodes. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

So all episodes are "real world". That means we have a label that does nothing - I'm missing the point and therefore the point of it! Flipping the question - What is not real world? --Piandao Talk 08:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

BTW - strangely I can edit this talk page and not the page for Nyla ??

What is not real world - flora and fauna, characters, events, locations, cuisine, society, geography etc. Most articles aren't real world actually, there are 168 real world articles out of nearly 900. The episodes are real world for a very logical reason - take it from the point of view of Aang. If the Avatar World was not imaginary, would Aang really know who Mike or Bryan is? The episode articles are about episodes, not strictly the events which occurred within them. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 08:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay I get Geography - it's totally fictitious topographically. Cuisine has overlap into real world - in general menu items are mentioned 'in passing' and usually because they are not prunes but sea prunes which are not real world - Tea, soup etc, is. I am a picky person and like to cross my eyes and dot my teas (lol). Sorry if this is annoying - I hope you understand. Perhaps there is a discussion or something that you can refer me to for this. Episodes are fiction, characters are fiction Aang is fiction and somehow, at the end of it all the Avatar state gets a real world label.

The only purpose I see for a similar label is to have a sub page or trivia like addition with a "real world" label to add content that's relative to real world, rather than a broad label that so far encompasses, well, too far a field. I realise this maybe so far my opinion and off some sort of agreed acceptance, I'm just asking for precedence outside of this wikia or something that goes beyond the examples given thus far. I am trying to achieve understanding on this. FanQ --Piandao Talk 09:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The original idea for such a tag comes from some of the biggest wikis, who use this icon (or a similar icon) to separate articles about the universe the wiki is about and content that is relevant to the wiki, but isn't really about the universe the wiki is about. (Was that sentence confusing?) The episode articles are supposed to be written from an outside view, like Wikipedia used to write those articles before they were deleted. The articles about characters and events however are supposed to be written as though that world was our world - in-universe style. The 888th Avatar (Talk) 09:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I am a great fan of continuity. All pages are written about the 'facts' that are in the series, the facts being established as content in this case. The material written is not fan based fictional 'if'(that's why I like it here), and thus will not be fictitious dialog. I can't establish the worth of this as yet, but tell me if I am at least focusing in the right direction. Summary: using perspective of reality to write on fiction. Hopefully we (me) are moving on :)--Piandao Talk, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

... Meaning? - Zero - Talk 13:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OWL Symbol

Can we have an Order of the White Lotus symbol to put at the top of the page - like we do for bending, nation, AC etc?

We did have one at first but everyone decided against it. And Sign your posts please. Seriously. Not cool. - Zero - Talk 13:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Shame - Yeah trying to be cool! not used to signing, oh and as to the further above - it has a meaning, if you can't see it Zero$ then it's no big deal if It's not clear, themn I'm sorry. Please try not to be too curt - it comes over badly :( Piandao Talk 15:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Sigh. I don't like beating about the bush. And please write about a topic in its own section. - Zero - Talk 11:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Aang's Tatoo… Minor Thing - Or Is It

Every tab I open has that cool little arrow on it. What's not cool is that it is not blue? I'm irked by it actually cos it's also on by favorites bar too. Must be easy to 'correct' surely? Piandao Talk 11:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I like the current colour because it does fit in more with our skin and stuff. I mean, after all, Aang's arrow does appear to be golden sometimes... The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Golden - I missed that or where you drinking strong tea? Actually it's not part of the skin. opinions 1:1 at the mo Piandao Talk 12:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

What? Vaznock - Talk 12:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I know it's not part of the skin, but it's an important part of the wiki and is very connected with the skin. (No, I wasn't drinking tea, and even if I was, it wouldn't be very strong :).) And the favicon (yes, that's the name for this icon) is sort of golden - or were you the one drinking the strong tea? :P The 888th Avatar (Talk) 12:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I know you know that I know it's not part of the skin. I do drink very strong tea :D. My preference is blue *makes wish* Piandao Talk 12:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

But...but...my preference is gold... The 888th Avatar (Talk) 12:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Blue is also my favorite color, but is the arrow really important? It's not like its going to scare away readers, or annoy much of the community. Vaznock - Talk 13:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

@888 - But you didn't make a wish ;) @ Vaznock - just me! :( I'll try to get over it. *plays Comfortably Numb* Piandao Talk 13:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I dont get the symbols. Can you please explain? - Zero - Talk 06:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

When saving a to favorites the tab and bookmarks bar (using google chrome) use a small Icon (favicon), In this case a brown arrrow (888 says golden). I think it should be blue - no major issue but I'm irked to see it as brown instead of blue on my tabs and bar :( Piandao Talk 06:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I got that part. I was talking about you using @888 and @ Vasnock... Ohhhhhhhhh. I get it now @ stands for "at". Sorry about that. - Zero - Talk 06:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You didn't know that? Mattkenn3 Talk 17:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I always thought it stood for "at the rate of". My bad. - Zero - Talk 13:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Four Items in Flora and Fauna

I brought the discussion here because it covers four items:

  1. White Jade
  2. White Dragon
  3. Bacui Berries
  4. Macahoni Berries

I get that they are similar, but we use one image for 1 & 2 and one for 3 & 4. My view is they should be different pics if only a different angle. Anyone? Piandao Talk 14:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Nah, because that would be overloading our wiki with more images. If you don't understand why this is bad, ask Thailog, he knows why, I kinda do, but heh, I could be totally wrong. Vaznock - Talk 18:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

really -two images to show a difference - but there are loads of pages overloaded with images, I took out two recently, now we have room :) Now you have me thinking about the gallery effect I mentioned for pages like headpieces - is that the same deal.. Maybe Thailog will add his 2cents too Piandao Talk 20:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Keeping Pages at a Reasonable Length: Vote

This discussion here is merely a vote to decide the outcome of the discussion on User blog:The 888th Avatar/A View on Page Lengths. Please post your comments there.

[edit] Voting

  1. Support - Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 13:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. Neutral - Kai - Talk 13:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. Neutral - 32×29px - Avatar Junky -Talk 16:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. Oppose - Piandao Talk 17:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. Oppose - Dcasawang1 - Talk 18:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  6. Neutral - —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 18:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  7. Neutral - Vaznock - Talk 19:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  8. Support - ― Thailog 19:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Puragus Talk 20:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

  1. Neutral - --Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. Support - Joey - Talk Contribs 23:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. Support - --Energybender 23:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. Oppose - - Zero - Talk 13:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. Support - Vaznock - Talk 17:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
This discussion was resolved. The result of this discussion was:
Articles that are too long will be split.
If you wish to restart this discussion, please post under a new subheading below.

[edit] Reject this vote

I must respectfully reject the results of this vote. I think it is far more appropriate to allow all data on a single subject into one page rather than successive ones. This just sounds unnecessary. The length of pages has never been a problem before to my knowledge, and I fail to understand why it is a problem now. Please reconsider this ASAP.Fire Eater 07:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a problem. The page loads take far too long, and it is too much work to read through all of it. The problem was always there; it was just that users of the site didn't realise it was happening. Also, readers found it difficult to go through the whole page. The new method allows all the content to be kept while making the original page to be more summarial. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 07:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

So what are you saying? Are splitting it or trimming it down? I'm still against the decision either way. These page loads don't take as long as you are implicating. I should know, I am here everyday. (NO disrespect to you administrators, in case you misinterpreted that)Fire Eater 21:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

No, feel free to object, you're supposed to if you disagree. Back to the topic at hand - most modern age computers will load the page fairly fast, but there are people with slower computers, or smaller computers, who don't have that privilege. We are splitting it also in the interests of user readability. We need to recognise that much of our audience is quite young, and don't exactly want a thesis-length discourse on the topic the moment they load a page.
(I note that I haven't acutally written the new summary and transferred the history yet, because of the amount of work that involves - I still intend the history of Aang to be quite long. I will do this once my own exams are over, or whenever someone else does it, whichever comes first. Aang will probably be the next Improvement Article.) Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 23:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm planning something on the grounds of that, unless you'd like to do the honors, 888. Vaznock - Talk 00:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

If any would like to, feel free. It's just that I don't have the time to go into this massive writing project this week, or the next. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 00:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Splitting into multiple pages is okay by me, but trimming is a very bad idea in my opinion. That's all I gotta say this visit. - Zero - Talk 17:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rewards

On Harry Potter their is a reward system that a user recieves when they reaches a certain edit count. It is called the "Order of Merlin 1st, 2nd 3rd class like in the books/films. Do you think that your wiki would benifir from this system or would it make some users concentrate on their edit count instead of improving the site?

I have notice that many of you have high edit counts, On my wiki (Harry Potter they rewards are given for 1000, 2000, 3000 edits. Maybe you can change the way they are given? You could ditch rewarding for edits and reward them for something else? Chester Talk 14:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Eh, quality is better than quantity. There are a few reward "systems" anyway, such as receiving Rollback and becoming a "Star Editor". Vaznock - Talk 15:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much said that. Do you even know what I am talking about? It's on a few users Harry Potter wiki pages. Chester Talk 16:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, you said edit count, which equals quantity, and if you want to see a reason why the members of our wiki have established the quality over quantity idea, see what this user has done. Vaznock - Talk 16:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thats what Harry Potter does. Maybe you can reward users with something like, what I suggested but cut out the edit count part. I'll link you to the Harry Potter reward template so you can see what I mean. Chester Talk 17:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


I have to admit, it would be a good way to get users to edit more, though they might worry too much about edit count. We actually have a rewarding system already, though it is still in the process of creation. Vaznock - Talk 17:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The first one, has nothing to do with an edit count. It invloves maintence, fighting spam and vandalism. The other 3 invlove edit counts so they may make others concentrate on their edit count. You can reward a user who, say there was a vandal attack, reverted the vandals edits when no admin was available or reported them to a admin or helper. Chester Talk 17:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I am against any awards made based on edit count. Edit count does not equal quality of contributions. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 00:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

888, for the first time, I disagree. I think that edit count shows that these peopleare dedicated, and I have classes for them: nonbender (1-1000) bender (1-2000) master bender (2-3000) avatar (>3000). Jman97 17:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, no. Edit count only shows the amount of edits a user has made, and that's it. Edits could just be wasted spam messages on talk page or just adding, removing, adding, removing (etc) periods and commas on pages. This user was an example of one of those users who bragged about edit count when they did nothing but spam and make very little edits. Vaznock - Talk 18:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Imagelink

Transferred from Template talk:Imagelink

Is this template going to be used on the site or what? Currently, it's only used on Aang. If so, it needs some tuning up. If not, should we add a link to the characters' images categories in the infobox, like we have on {{episode}}? ― Thailog 22:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello? ― Thailog 19:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I say we delete it. Vaznock - Talk 19:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Delete and add a link to the characters' images categories in the infobox, or simply delete? ― Thailog 19:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
As I created this, I'd say keep it. It can allow quick navigation to images of characters and locations. —Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 20:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok, what's it going to be? Right now the template is just laying there. Either the template is going to be used, or deleted and we use the infoboxes to link to images categories. ― Thailog 15:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I think the template's not a bad idea, improve it and use it on more pages. I can think of at least ten or twenty pages it could potentially be used on. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 00:17, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, it has been improved. Just needs to be slapped on pages. ― Thailog 21:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Latest Wiki Stats

I just thought I should let everyone know that Avatar Wiki has become the 69th Wikia wiki (out of the 15 000+ possible Wikia wikis) with the most unique visitors. What does this mean? Avatar Wiki has been visited (either one or many pages) in a month by 45,428 different people during a month. This statistic is up 6 wiki places from a little while before. Also, it is important to note that 22,410 of those people were Americans (inside the US). In total however, there were 908 200 pageviews and the most people came from United States, Germany, Australia, United Kingdom, and the Philippines. Further stats can be found here. Congrats Avatar Wiki and keep up the hard work! Joey aa 23:20, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Petition: Avatar: The Last Airbender Official Soundtrack

Is anyone aware of this petition? I just stumbled across it. Is this the kind of thing that should be featured on the news, blogs, or not at all? ― Thailog 17:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think we should have it somewhere on here. I'm not sure where, but it's worth having. Puragus Talk 18:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to write about a blog about it, as per our blog policy. That's what they're for, opinions and stuff. :) Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 07:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Comics

Continued from Talk:Avatar Comics.
As we have already included information from "Going Home Again" and "The Bridge," both comics, we appear to consider comics written by writers canon. Well, most are, so I would like to discuss implementing comic information wherever needed. Thoughts? The Flash {talk} 00:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I've taken a look around and I've decided that I don't think that there's anything wrong with this proposal. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 00:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Support - I think it's a wonderful idea. Vaznock - Talk 00:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess it does make sense, I'm okay with it. Joey aa 22:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so might I start the process? The Flash {talk} 23:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I'll start it. I think I'll set up a User group for it. Anyone wish to help? The Flash {talk} 17:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree and I'd like to help in any way I can. Dcasawang1 - Talk 18:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ADR Thoughts from a friend :)

There seems to be a jump in normal processes. I appears a imposing and perhaps threatening, certainly dramatic in the sense that this is a wiki and a community (okay, a cyber space community). If I were new, young and timid this would come over as close to tyranny or bullying. Here are some things you may consider if you wish - it's in my own words, as I no longer have the notes and the formalities have perhaps been improved.

Arbitration, I have used and done in the timber trade. Two parties disagree and need a third impartial party to resolve the dispute. What you seem to have missed are some parts of the process. Steps in disagreements are important, especially in this sort of community.... I had to study some law in a previous life

[edit] ADR

Alternative Dispute Resolution - notes (memoirs) from a fossilized timber trader and senior cooperative member.
Disagreement; circualr arguments or does not arrive at a resolution due to ... (list not needed).
Negotiation; when there is no formal, legal reference or acceptance for it which prevents intervention by enforcement.
Mediation; an impartial third party is invited to formalize a dispute and observe legalities regarding the process and resolution. No decision is made by the mediator who is there only to open and encourage discussion and help keep it formal, and may in some cases make a decision.
Collabarative Representation; like a legal system but outside of court but no arbitrator involved.
Arbitration; usually for future disagreements, where the above in turn (more or less), have not worked. A service or commodity is involved.

Bottom line
The whole process depends on the disagreeing sides "requesting" outside guidance or decision, it's to avoid the court delays and expenses. i.e. Cooperative housing employs contractor, contractor finishes and requests payment. Cooperative is not satisfied with the standard of work, both want an early low cost settlement and will choose one of the above.

It looks like you need more policy to cover the steps available, especially to avoid interferrance/intervening. Two people can not be dragged out of there homes, paraded, ridiculed; then poked and prodded over something that is not yet the communities business.

Finally, I can't see arbitration as being the right alternative where commodity, payment for service etc is absent, and is not requested by both parties. Piandao and Scooby 19:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I will be back in several hours, but I have little time at the moment and I think replying to this is rather important. What we have here as the "Arbitration Committee" is the combination of a normal arbitration committee and a court. Based on the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee, it will normally seek to resolve disputes only after two users have exhausted all other options. The committee members (myself included) will reject any application for a case where it is quite clear that the two users in dispute have not exhausted all options in trying to resolve disputes. You cannot deny that there are few avenues to seek help in between the dispute starting and the committee. That's just a fact of life on wikis.
The second function is as a court. I've done this so that we can avoid having "Requests for Removal of User Rights" page and avoid the dangers of the community rising up and flaming each other. However, the community (who has elected the committee) has trusted us with not doing this until all options have been exhausted.
This may seem powerful, and this is why committee members are subject to stringent regulation. There are only three, they are elected for only a three-month term, and they must be admins. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 22:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Removing HTML comments to enable rich text editing

While the HTML comments were extremely useful while the old editor was the default (you can still turn the old editor back on through user preferences, I've enabled it temporarily to evaluate how good it is for new users), their inclusion turns off rich text editing. However, it is fine to remove them because the template's parameters are difficult to change through the editor - the name of the template must be clicked on and fields must be filled in. Alternatively, the user must switch to the old editor (by clicking a button on the top right) to change template parameters. Since most potentially disruptive users do not have the knowhow to actually go through these steps, it is fine to remove those old HTML comments. Thanks. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 11:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I've done this to all articles that have those comments throughout the main namespace. Basically, the text isn't displayed when viewed, and editors should be able to recognize the comment is at them. Joey aa 01:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Policy expansion and updates

I've recently been writing a whole lot of policy that I believe really just make sense (it's based off other wikis who have had great success with similar policies) and doesn't really require another long process that wastes everyone's time, especially considering the merger. However, I have heard concerns that I appear to be dictating things, and I'd just like to clarify that that's not how I think or do things, and that if anyone has any objections to the new policies that I'm making official now, please raise your concerns here and if needed, we will discuss which policies are appropriate for the wiki. In the event of objections to any piece of policy, I'll comment out that particular entry until a community decision is made. Thanks! Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 15:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I've read them and they seem very fitting. Kai - Talk 15:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Considering we have 1,958 images right now, and we're bound to have more coming in, it would be better if we had a written down image policy before the merge. ― Thailog 15:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

True. But yo can never be too late to make a policy. Besides, we now have great incentive to go tag images for deletion. Joey aa 16:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rich Text Editor

Anyone else feels that the RTE should be disabled by default, at least for now? There have been numerous edits in which tons of extra whitespaces and coding have been added unnecessarily, I find it highly annoying, and other users have expressed similar views on it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I has wondering why that kept happening. That's fine with me, I'm using a default of normal editing style, so the change will be the same for my browser. The Flash {talk} 23:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
There's a reason why it's default, it's great for newbies. The point of it is to simplify editing for new users so they don't find it overcomplicated and are encouraged to do so, instead of giving up once they see random HTML and wikitext everywhere. The concept is sturdy, and it does more good than harm. For users that don't like it, they can disable it personally, while only new users are offered a new type of editor which uses simple editing. Any extra things caused by it (white space, bugs, or etc) can easily be fixed by another user, and then reported so that it will stop soon. Compared to when it was globally released, the editor has a puny percentage of its original bugs, and the list continues to disappear. It's definitely is a plus for the new users, and a small hassle for the experienced ones. I think we can handle it the way it is. Joey aa 23:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
No, the RTE definitely shouldn't be disabled. This is another one of those things that may cause a bit of mayhem in the short term, but is bound to improve the wiki in the long term with the better accessibility to new users. Improvements are ongoing and I am sure that it will turn out to be a widely lauded feature on Wikia. Wjxhuang, the 888th Avatar {Talk} 00:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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