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I think it would be better to rename "organ grinder" to "Kenji's brother". We always do this with articles whose unnamed subject has a named relative, friend, or otherwise personal association with the article's subject. SorcererSupreme21 Iroh Sprite OWL Outfit (Contribs | Editcount) 6:47, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Aye, but whenever there is an official name, we choose that over any other. Organ grinder was provided by the old site. Frui (🌹 β€’ 🐝 β€’ 🐝🐝) 06:57, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Officially given name or not, I support the proposal. We did the same for "Yon Rha's mother" who was named "old shrew" by the official sources if I remember correctly. Lady Lostris vstf (talk β€’ HotN) 07:18, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Hmm yeah, but 'old shrew' (or shrewish mother, i think??) wasn't the best name anyway, in terms of description or in finding it on the wiki. Unless one knows about the organ grinder being kenji's brother, it's more likely that they will know him by his profession than his relations (which is why i disagree with the proposal). Frui (🌹 β€’ 🐝 β€’ 🐝🐝) 07:24, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
You have a point about the term people look something up with, as I doubt many people even know who the hell Kenji is, considering his name was never mentioned on the show. But then again, the search factor too needs to be put into perspective, as I doubt most people will even remember an organ grinder to have made an appearance, let alone have a page (and from an additional foreign, non-native English point of view: I had no clue what an "organ grinder" even was. It made me think of some butcher related person, not a musician ^^"). Lady Lostris vstf (talk β€’ HotN) 07:39, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps the term "Organ grinder" be a redirect, so if by any chance someone remembers the character's article being titled such, not remembering or knowing his relation to Kenji, "Kenji's brother" pops up instead, letting them know of the change. This is what we did with the "Shrewish mother" (correct, that's what it was titled before), to add to LL's example. SorcererSupreme21 Iroh Sprite OWL Outfit (Contribs | Editcount) 23:49, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

To add on, should this rule also apply to Warden (Boiling Rock) being renamed to "Mai's uncle" or "Michi's brother"? SorcererSupreme21 Iroh Sprite OWL Outfit (Contribs | Editcount) 23:14, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Clear opposition to change the name of the warden, as "warden" is definitely more memorable than "Mai's uncle". Still on the fence what's most memorable in case of Kenji's brother or organ grinder. Lady Lostris vstf (talk β€’ HotN) 14:42, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. Back on the subject of Kenji's brother, when someone types in the title of a redirect, the name of the article the redirect is to appears instead, and we know the previous title for an article automatically become a redirect once the article is renamed. So that takes care of anyone typing "Organ grinder" in the search bar, as "Kenji's brother" would appear instead. SorcererSupreme21 Iroh Sprite OWL Outfit (Contribs | Editcount) 23:15, June 8, 2016 (UTC)
I know how redirects work ^^". That said, though, it's also about the most logical term to search a page with, as relying too much on redirects is harmful for SEO. Lady Lostris vstf (talk β€’ HotN) 06:52, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we get a fourth party opinion in here? Right now it seems to be a three-way tie: me for renaming, Fruipit against it, and LL unsure. SorcererSupreme21 Iroh Sprite OWL Outfit (Contribs | Editcount) 01:51, June 9, 2016 (UTC)