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Bamboo

Keep Keep — The scarf serves as a valuable component to a character just as Aang's glider, Sokka's Bommerang, and Katara's necklace seems valuable to those certain character's. RaGhavA SHaH (wallcontribs) 05:11, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — There really isn't anything Avatar-verse noteworthy about this page. It's just a page that shows that there is bamboo in the Avatar world, big whoop. (this is about the bamboo and in no way an insult to the one that created the page, just to make sure ^^"). Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:17, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per my reasons stated below in the apple section and Lady Lostris' explanation. --Icarlyftw talk to me 22:27, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I don't know why should delete it, just because it's about bamboo. There is decent amount of information on the article, I think is should stay.TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 22:32, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

And we can also make a decent article about wood, metal, air, fire, earth, cotton, brick, etc. It's not because we can make a decent article that it is relevant to the Avatar verse or has anything new to say. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:44, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
Then by this we could argue for the removal of all plantlife articles on the wiki, save for the ones that only exist on the Avatar world. I'm not certain I agree with that counter-argument. Vulmen (talkEoK) 02:37, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
That really isn't the point. Some of the plants are special to the Avatar world and those that aren't, at least had something noteworthy about it other than "it was used in X." As I mentioned, I can produce a lengthy article about any of the mentioned sources and its usage in the Avatar world, in fact, anyone that has the basic knowledge about the English language can do that. Why not create an article about cotton? Everyone in the Avatar world wears clothes, they're made of something, so shall I make a very lengthy article about a cotton plant and its usage in clothing and how it can be painted to have different colors and all?
What's not the agree with? There is nothing truly relevant to say about wood or bamboo other than "it was used in a building" or whatever. How is that relevant to the Avatar universe? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 06:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I actually believe this article holds far more than enough merit to remain on the wiki. This page succinctly keeps track of many places that bamboo is actually made use of in the Avatar world; not simply "oh look, it's a plant" or such. Yes, I know, you can argue that "well wood is wood too" but there is a difference in having a page titled 'Wood' and one for bamboo and its usage. The article could perhaps be re-worded to more focus on its uses, rather than how it ambles off into a 'history-like' moment with Sokka slicing it. Vulmen (talkEoK) 02:41, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

You're right, it's not "oh look, it's a plant", it's "oh look, it's a plant that is used in a building just like it is normally used in a building or ladder irl so there is really nothing noteworthy about it for the Avatar world." How is it different to have an article about bamboo, but not about wood? How can you argue that bamboo is more relevant than wood? I really do not see your arguments at all. They're both building recourses with absolutely no more difference than the density matter they're made off and their appearance. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 06:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
For one; the rarity of the wood. Bamboo can be viewed by some (western-minded citizens, perhaps) as an elegant and unique thing. The fact that the Avatar universe has such a unique type of tree is a point of interest. And that some of the 'well-to-do's like Piandao sees fit to raise a forest of these as well speaks to the aesthetic beauty of them. What are we off to delete next, then? You realize that half all of our articles can be attacked with the very same reason. Vulmen (talkEoK) 04:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
That really is an argument that holds zero to less value. "viewed by some (western-minded citizens, perhaps)" Bamboo is something really common in Asian countries and it is a well known fact that Avatar is based on the Asian culture, so that completely undermines the value of that argument. Wood nor bamboo is rare in either the Avatar world or the real world. Bamboo forest are raised quite often in the Asian cultures, so it is less than notable that he did that in the Avatar-Asian inspired world.
No, I do not realize that, so please point me to the articles that can be deleted according to you for that reason. You have to judge them by whether or not they are noteworthy from an Avatar-verse point of view, not from "oh, some people might see this as special", while actually it's as common as can be.
But let's say for arguments sake that bamboo is notably used in some building. It is much more logical then that we have a page on that noteworthy building and say that it was made of bamboo there, instead of having a page about bamboo and shortly mention it was used in a notable building and provide a link to said building. There is no need to create a rather redundant page solely for duplicate informational purposes, as everything noteworthy about the plant's usage is already on the page it is noteworthy about, and all the rest is either not noteworthy for the Avatar world or just stating what bamboo really is, so basically describing a plant we all know and many perhaps even have in their back yard. We do not need to list every minor usage of the plant. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 05:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I agree with Vulmen on this one. Seems like reasonable source of information. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 06:04, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Vulmen. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 06:08, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris. Seliah Jade 11:15, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Vulmen. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 15:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — For some of the other plants found in real life, we have used wikipedia links or just gave it a mention in the Flora in the World of Avatar. Bamboo is common in East Asia and of economic significance; to favor this particular article over all those others just due to the fact that Western-minded people may think it's elegant or unique is not logical and completely subjective. Looking over it's current content, and keeping in mind how it can be expanded, I think this article contributes, and will contribute, nothing informative to the wiki. KettleMeetPotwall 10:23, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — ATLA is an Asian based show, and bamboo is a very Asian-oriented plant. So I think it should stay.Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 19:45, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

So everything that is Asian but has nothing useful to note for the rest should have a page? The entire point is that bamboo in the Avatar world is identical to bamboo in the real world and there was never a truly notable usage of the plant that warrants its own page. As Kettle noted, when we have a plant or fruit that is not notable in the Avatar World and is identical to their real wold counterpart, we just add a wikipedia link to the fauna/flora page, so why should we make an exception to a system that has worked perfectly so far now for something as trivial as bamboo? What's noteworthy about it that warrants the page? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:25, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
I think it's how this page notes the uses of bamboo that warrants it's existence. A wikipedia link won't tell you where bamboo can be found or how it is used in the Avatarverse. It's useful to have a page that compiles information in one area rather than leave it scattered in bits across random portions of the wiki. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 20:30, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
And what is this usage of bamboo that is special to the Avatar world that sets it apart from their real life counterpart? We've noted that the plant is used for buildings, a pole, and a brush -all things bamboo is also used for irl, so that's not noteworthy at all. The fact that Aang used a bamboo pole once to escape doesn't warrant an entire page about it. If someone can give me one truly useful Avatar-verse usage of this plant, I will drop this, but so far, I haven't seen anything that sets it apart from the real world plant. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
This article doesn't need to be set apart from it's real-world counterpart. We've ignored this supposed "rule" for so many other articles it hardly even applies anymore. Look over to a bunch of fauna pages like cat, dog, wolf or multiple transportation pages like steamboat, train, and automobile and you'll see what I mean. Also, isn't being able to use bamboo to make music a sort of independent use? Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 21:11, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
Where have we ignore the rule that we just made a copy of the real world article without it being relevant to the Avatar World? As I mentioned before, cat, dog, wolf, are special to the Avatar World as they are not hybridizes creatures. Remember the surprise of "just a bear?". They are "just a cat", "just a dog", "just a wolf", thus making them special and noteworthy for the Avatar World. Those transportation methods are special to the Avatar World because 1. they were either not there yet in Aang's time but they were in Korra's, thus they mark the evolution in that world or 2. they were notably used by someone. So no, I do not see what you mean if you put this to the bamboo page which has the same appearance and the same usage as its real life counterpart. It is completely the same, we can copy/paste everything we find on the bamboo wikipedia page to the one we have and just add here and there "character x used it". That is not important, not noteworthy, and is just a useless page imo like we had with apple -which was recently deleted for those exact same reasons. I seriously do not see any difference between the apple page and this one when it comes to relevancy and noteworthiness. And no, bamboo as a music instrument is not an independent usage of the plant, it's quite common actually. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:01, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
Non-chimerical animals are only noteworthy from an in-universe point of view, because, as you stated, they are a rare type of species that are not hybridized. Aside from that point, there is little to note about those creatures. If looking at bamboo from an in-universe point of view, you would see all of it's important uses in respect to the Avatarverse, although they may be equivalent to that of the real world. Your argument that this article should not exist because nothing sets it apart from the real world is not an in-universe viewpoint. Now, one might argue that we can create an article about, say, metal, if my logic is valid. However, we are not going to do that, so my argument must be invalid. Metal is quite different because 1) It is innumerable to the point where listing when, how, and where it appears in an article would render it useless and 2) it has a corresponding article that largely describes it (in this case, the article is metalbending). Bamboo is both relatively rare and lacks a corresponding page to suffice for it's deletion and the information that will go down with it. And about bamboo as a musical instrument, that's not how it was used for music in the Avatarverse. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 14:39, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, those animals are indeed the same as their real life counterparts and as such not notable were it not for the fact that they are special to the Avatar World. Bamboo on the other hand is the same as its real life counterpart and as such not notable, especially not when you add to that that its usage is exactly the same in both "worlds" so there is nothing special Avatar World about that plant. That is the big difference.
Bamboo is not rare, I do not know where you got that point, so I do not really know how you want me to respond to that or what even the point is that you are trying to make, sorry. Neither do I get your point about the metal page, as I have said before already that a metal page would be the same as this bamboo page.
What is this precious information that would go down with the page's deletion? The fact that it's a building material? Same in the real world. The fact that it's used for musical instruments? Same in the real world. The fact that Aang used it to escape Pohuai Stronghold? That is noted on several pages beside this one and is not special enough to warrant an entire page for it. The fact that it's used as a brush? Same as in the real world (as for that little trivia point about the music, that can just as well stand on the game page in which it is used, so no information lost there). So you see, I am really failing here to see why this page would be necessary, what new information it tells us rather. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:26, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
I have looked at the page extensively, and compared it with the notable flora pages we already have. There a few key differences on this point. Flora only found in the Avatar universe have their own pages intuitively, while those that are found in the real world are linked to their corresponding Wikipedia page unless they have a significant unique history and other diverging uses from the real world. No exceptions.
An example of this is seaweed. Now compare the differences between both articles. What you'll find in the seaweed article is far more relevant to ATLA than bamboo will ever be, with what it's use in the creation of tangle mines, waterbending seaweed monsters, unique seaweed cuisine in ATLA etc.
Now, what does Bamboo provide? Just a bunch of history that a few people used them for as building materials, and that is the only major use. Everything else about every single little place where it has been found growing, and Sokka's run-ins with bamboo is just laughably irrelevant. I cannot reiterate enough how there is no difference between how it is used in the real world and the World of Avatar - look in any East Asian countries for proof. It isn't even a particularly rare plant, and it is most certainly not noteworthy to have its own article, which is why I must agree with LL on all the points she has already stated. KettleMeetPotwall 09:41, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

I still stand by my opinion. Lostris, we have many, many articles that only exist to compile information. The seaweed article KMP noted is little more than a pool of data that adds nothing new to this wiki at all. We could attack far too many articles based on what you said. I also believe it's use in the Spirit World and the fact that fire ferrets populate bamboo forests (they don't in the real world) give the article enough distinction to warrant it's existence. And as for Kettle, I believe you have overlooked a few articles. Within a short time of searching I have already pinned down pages such as jook, firework, and palanquin that have little to no distinction from their real world counterparts. And any distinction that does exist is minor enough to give leeway to the bamboo article's slightly independent uses. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 23:54, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

That's a completely moot point, as 1. there is not Spirit World in our world and 2. there are no fire ferrets in our world. The Spirit World also has trees and there are countless fauna pages that state the animal is indigenous to some kind of forest somewhere, so shall we get started on pages about wood then as well? The Fire Nation also used coal as a fuel source for their ships, shall we get started on a page about coal just to note that fact? We can also say there that Aang used it to hurl at some Fire Nation soldiers, as that is totally not mentioned anywhere else. That's the point with this useless pages: yes, you can mention that there as it is relevant to the page, but you do not need to create a page about something that everyone knows just to compile some duplicate information that is more relevant somewhere else anyway.
And sure, you can stay with your original opinion, I didn't think that the creator of the page would ever agree with saying that something he created is rather irrelevant and unnecessary to this wiki as it says nothing new. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:55, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
Well, if you look at the jook article I used as an example before, you'd see that the information on that article has no more or less distinction from it's real-world counterpart than bamboo. It exists because jook is an exclusively Asian cuisine while the Avatarverse is Asian-influenced, and for no other reason whatsoever. This contradicts a point you discussed with Vulmen earlier, when you said a bamboo article cannot exist because it's use in Asia is equivalent to that of the Avatarverse, which is Asian-inspired. The existence of the jook article as well as palanquin shows that uses can be equivalent and still warrant a page on this wiki, even if simply because of perspective. You know, I am not from Asia, so I feel there is something special about bamboo that distinguishes it from articles like wood. And on that same accord, I doubt the person who thought of creating an article for jook was Asian either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SparksFromHades (wallcontribs) 22:46, 6 September 2012‎
Whether or not that is the same of its real life counterpart, I would not know as I didn't know what so ever what jook was before I read that page. I doubt that I am the only one who didn't know what jook was. On the other hand, I dare you to find a single person on here that doesn't know what bamboo is and what it is used for. I live in Belgium, the heart of Europe and my best friend has bamboo in her garden -just, totally exotic and rare. My neighbor of two houses down has bamboo in her garden, as well as the one on the corner as it is even partially on the sidewalk. Bamboo totally isn't something rare anymore and as such it is useless to have such a page around when it tell absolutely nothing new and innovative. Besides, the fact I said that it couldn't exist because it was identical to its counterpart was only part of the reason and I brought that point up because Vulmen wrongfully stated that bamboo is something rare when it is not. It is a commonly known plant throughout the entire world nowadays. So, I am not from Asia either and I don't see anything special about the plant as I see it daily wherever I go, it is that rare. So no, it doesn't contradict any of the points I made earlier. I asked earlier what was so special about that page and no one has come up with a decent answer that can justify the existence of that page, therefore I am even strengthened in my belief that it is a useless page, as how hard can it otherwise be to point out the value of a page?
On a side note, I do not even see what being or not being Asian has to do with anything? I have no idea whether or not Tlane is Asian, the only thing I do know is that he is responsible for a good deal of the Chinese translations we have, so he at least knows the language very well. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:52, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Vulmen, Henry, and KMP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsrule (wallcontribs) 22:11, 3 September 2012

KMP voted to delete this while the other two voted to keep, so which one is it? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:25, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris. Although bamboo may be used for important things in real and Avatar world, it's not really exclusively relevant for the latter. It's just a material commonly used, like metal, for example, and its uses are not different than real world's. Dcasawang1wall 11:22, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Everyone voting to keep. This is a really neat article. It's got the information. Plus it could be edited a bit, but why remove it? I don't get why people are so concerned on removing articles. It's a wiki for a reason. There's really NO reason to get rid of it. http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/IncubatedDucks/619f9540.png IncubatedDucks http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/IncubatedDucks/212fedf7.jpg (wallcontribs) 21:03, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's indeed a wiki for relevant Avatar-verse articles or other things that have a link to the series and are noteworthy. Bamboo and its usage and appearance in the Avatar World is identical to that of the real world and as such it is a redundant article that states things everyone already knows as it is just saying what the plant is and how it can be used. Nothing new-Avatar-like about it. As Dc said as well, it's just something commonly used like metal or wood are commonly used, so should we have articles about that as well? Or perhaps an article about bricks as they are commonly used to build the skyscrapers in Republic City. Is there any difference between having an article about bricks and bamboo? Would you support the creation of a brick page? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lady and KMP. Bamboo has no discernible difference from the real world in the Avatar World. That's why we don't have articles about sand or water. ― Thailog 13:22, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lady Lostris and Thailog. You just made the point guys.--Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 15:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — per above Srijay KTechFilmer 16:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris and Kettle. Lia(talk) 15:07, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Not noteworthy at all. Per Lostris, Kettle, and other opposed. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 23:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — it's just so insignificant. why don't we just put tree up there. or shrub. or even cactus. Cactus seems much more significant than bamboo(since Sokka drank from one and became delusional. and yes, I know there is a page on cactus juice), and cactus doesn't have a page. And also because of all the reasons stated aboveChakrasandwich (wallcontribs)

Keep Keep — Per above. Matey Y. (talk  A:TLoM) Korra-chao2 21:31, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

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Apple

Delete Delete — It's more than time that this page went up for deletion (again?). As with bamboo, there is nothing special about an apple in the grand Avatar design, and we really do not need to have a page for a random piece of fruit and when it was mentioned. Otherwise, what's stopping us from creating such pages for every not-notable fruit piece that passed the revue like the papaya? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:17, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Agreed. We have it listed under Cuisine in the World of Avatar. Why should we have something so minor as an article. No one really cares when apples were seen and who in the group ate them.--Icarlyftw talk to me 22:25, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — We have articles on Leechi nut and Moon peach which have less information than this article.TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 22:32, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

And either of those articles has some point of relevance to the Avatar world: the leechi nut with leechi tea and leechi juice and the moon peach for being the object that gave Momo his name. The apple has none of that. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:42, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
Can you explain how it's not relevant to the avatar world. Just because we have apple in our world doesn't mean it's a "random piece of fruit".TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 00:43, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
What remotely relevant happened with an apple to the Avatar universe? The fact that it was eaten by a shy bison? Many fruit did, so not relevant. The fact that the Air Nomads had them? Come on. That's the thing about this page: it has nothing unique about it that makes it deserve its place on Avatar wiki for it being even somewhat special to the Avatar world. A "normal" animal is special because it's unique. A normal piece of fruit is just that, it's normal and not notable, it does not turn heads, so why do we have a page about it? (of which most comments are of the likes "I can't believe we even have a page about this!") Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 04:58, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
So you're saying because it exists in our world it's not notable.Because we have articles on, Cat, Radio, Dog, Automobile etc. and they all exist in our world also.TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 14:23, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
No, you're again missing my point: it's not because we also have it in the real world that we cannot have a page about it. My point is that we do not need a page about it when 1. It is identically to it's real life counterpart AND 2. there is nothing Avatar-verse notable about it. The cat and dog are notable because they're not hybrid creatures. As for the dog and the automobile, they're notable because the first series didn't have them. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:29, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand how it's not notable. It written like any other food article.TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 14:41, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
It is not notable because there is nothing special to it when compared to the apple in our world, its appearance and usage are exactly the same. Most of the other food articles are special to the Avatar world and as such deserve a page if one can be made. Besides, it's not because we have a page about something else that is in the same category that we should have a page about everything. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:51, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — It does seem obsolete. Although the page mentions their use in Air Nomad and Sky Bison bonding, which is not given in Cuisine in the World of Avatar. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 06:11, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris and Yu Yan Archer. Seliah Jade 11:16, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris ― Thailog 11:18, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Thebigofan. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 15:38, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris Prince James 19:23, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

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Bearded cat

Merge Merge — This article is ancient. It's been around for almost as long as this wiki has and was created by it's founder. But recently, a new article called "cat" was written, and because of that I feel this page is now obsolete. I checked Nick.com to see if anything there talked about this cat and I came back with nothing. We don't know it's official name or even if it is a separate species from the felines that are described on the "cat" page (though it is intended to encompass all species). What makes this cat so special that it deserves it's own article? I don't think there is anything special about it. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 18:26, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree. We don't know whether it is the same species as the regular cat so it shouldn't be a separate article. --Icarlyftw talk to me 18:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — As per SparksFromHades and Icarlyftw. TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 18:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per SparksFromHades. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 05:52, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per all. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 17:29, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Merge MergeAppa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 19:46, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per All Above http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/IncubatedDucks/619f9540.png IncubatedDucks http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/IncubatedDucks/212fedf7.jpg (wallcontribs) 21:03, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge them!

Merge Merge — Per Sparks. Acer Indonesia Ask anything about fanon!Aang Sprite Season 3Korra Sprite-01 Jet sprite 16:31, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per Sparks. I do think we should list it as a type of cat on the Cat page though.
  –Anr0328  02:43, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per everyone Chakrasandwich (wallcontribs)

Keep Keep — alexf

Um... why? Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 19:28, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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May Chan

Delete Delete —This article has pretty much no information on it about May Chan. Really, it's just a bunch of links. Either someone should find more info on her, or she should just be deleted. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 19:51, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I can search for more info when I have the time. Unless I realize there isn't any to be found, I'll let this article pass. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 20:19, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. That sounds great! But first, we should see what the others say. Oh, and by the way, you probably should fix your sig so it isn't leaving several lines of code around. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 22:56, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — We have many little content pages for VAs and other staff. If this goes, you'll have to remove a good bit of these RW crew pages. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 03:57, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — She's credited as a writer here, and some of her other credits than Avatar are listed as well. Yes there's a lot of vague emptiness; but she is a crew member / real life figure that had a part in the creation of Avatar. I'm not against hearing alternatives and suggestions, and definitely improvements would be desired, but for now I believe the idea was each real-world crew member got an article. It could definitely use some expansion if anything could be found (which may not always be the case). Vulmen (talkEoK) 04:02, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — There's absolutely no reason, in my mind, to delete this article, all it needs are some improvements and maybe a little more "meat" (per se). SifuHotman90 Zuko-dobs-c7 04:16, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Vulmen. Lack of content is not a reason to delete relevant articles. It just means it needs to be expanded, or that's all the information available. ― Thailog 13:24, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

From what I have seen, I'd say everyone agrees to keep and I change mine, too Keep Keep —. Should we close?Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 23:23, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Further information can still be implemented. - Vote shouldn't be closed just yet, I think. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 06:00, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — No offense, but why we're going to delete a real-life crew member? Keep. Acer Indonesia Ask anything about fanon!Aang Sprite Season 3Korra Sprite-01 Jet sprite 16:31, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I changed my vote because everyone raised some fair points. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 17:52, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Vulmen.   –Anr0328  02:44, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I feel that everything that needs to be said has already been talked over very thoroughly. KettleMeetPotwall 10:15, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I just feel she, since she did write the episode(even though it's only one), she should be credited for that episode. Just because she doesn't have any pictures doesn't mean the page should be deleted Chakrasandwich (wallcontribs)

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Bull pig

Delete Delete — Alright, I looked in Appa's Lost Days transcript and episode page, and then I looked at the scene with the Boar-q-pine. No where did I see anything like a bull pig, and this episode is the only one that the article uses as a reference.

Even though the animal does appear, it has no image, or even a first appearance date on it, and is extremely bare on information. It makes two claims; that it's a mixture between a bull and a pig and a bull and a boar. Huh? Since it does not refer to the nick site, it means we must have named it ourselves, so how could it be both?

Well clearly our information on it is murky, since important parameters are missing, and it claims to be two different things. Plus, I couldn't find this animal anywhere. In other words; I think it does not exist, probably made by somebody who confused it with a Boar-q-pine. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 15:44, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Yes, it has no significant references which show us a real-bull pig. Delete, per ATFF. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 15:53, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I found it funny how the article states it fought a boar-q-pine and yet... the boar-q-pine only fights Appa and then runs off. That's just hilariously incorrect. Love to know where they got this from. Yes to delete. It's obviously a mistake lol. Ruen (wallcontribs) 16:04, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I just watched Appa's lost days and I didn't see a "bull pig".TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 20:16, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — If this creature actually existed, it would have had a picture by now. I don't see it as mentioned in the article, so delete. Magicboy 10xx Toph-DoBS-2 20:32, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I find it peculiar that on such an active wiki, it would take three years for someone to notice that this animal does not exist. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 21:25, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per ATFF. Lia(talk) 05:03, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — for all the reasons stated above, and the fact that Appa's lost days is one of my favorites episodes and I've never seen a bull pig Chakrasandwich (wallcontribs)

Delete Delete — Per all. Also I have to concur with SparksFromHades. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 05:51, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

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Mako's scarf

Merge Merge — Should merged with Mako. It contains no relevancy, only a duplicated words and no encyclopedic information. Also, it only states the scarf; not really unneeded (at least until release of Book 2) We should merge it with Mako, and when Book 2 will be released, we can add more information on it. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 17:22, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — | or | Delete Delete — This article barely holds any information. The section that says "the only person to touch it was Korra" is unnecessary. Vulmen (talkEoK) 18:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I think all the info we need on it is safe on Mako's page. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 18:04, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per all. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 18:05, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — As per Acer.TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 18:06, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per KFB. Magicboy 10xx Toph-DoBS-2 18:08, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Yes, I am fickle. But we should keep it, but edit it and fix it. The page is in awful condition, but I believe we should have people fix the article and make it a quality article. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 18:10, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Doesn't seem too relevant to be on Mako's page --Katara End SpriteHumble (Talk HOA) 18:11, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per all Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 18:12, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — come on on one wiki there was a page about a losket that no one cared about. this just needs more edits. That's how I felt when I wrote it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmapink3 (wallcontribs) This note was added on 18:37, September 22, 2012 (UTC).

No, it's unnecessary. I've said, that it'll be kept if it's created within the release of Book 2, as we know more information about it, the usage, etc. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 19:03, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I think it's significant. I mean it's like Katara's necklace. They're both inherited from a parent who is no longer alive and they are both very important to the owner. Mako wouldn't wear the new scarf Asami bought him and Katara showed great sadness when talking about how the necklace is the last she has of her mother, like the scarf is the last that Mako has of his father. Why kep one and not the other? If it had a few touch-ups, and a few pictures, I feel it would be good. Chakrasandwich (wallcontribs)

As I've said, it'll be more useful and relevant if it's written within the Book 2 release. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 19:03, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
Katara's necklace had an actual use aside from merely being of sentimental value to it's owner. That necklace is significant because Zuko used it to track down Team Avatar, a major plot point. Mako's scarf, on the other hand, is not part of any plot point. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 19:16, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well they've had a lot of pages of objects on wiki that don't exactly have a part in any plot point. It's kind of like a minor character in a way, if you think about it. If you're saying that it shouldn't be a page because it has little relevance to the plot, then neither do "Aang's armor" or "dragon moose" or "cat owl" or "komodo chicken" or "sealguana". They don't in any way relate to the plot and yet, they're pages and they probably all only have one brief glimpse in one episode. Mako's scarf has been seen in all episodes(or atleast most) with Mako in them and it has a story behind it. none of the listed above have stories behind them. Aang only wore that armor one time when they went shopping with Sokka. Dragon moose was seen one time pulling a carriage. Cat owl was seen once in Ba Sing Se and etc. But I do, in a way, see your logic though. And I agree with "Acer Indonesia" that we should wait for book 2, but in the meantime just keep the page. Maybe later on it will become a big plot point and more information can be put about it. Chakrasandwich (wallcontribs)

Delete Delete — We do not keep articles on the basis that they might become a greater plot point later on, or more information might be revealed. A page must be able to stand based on what we have, not on what we might have. If it becomes important later on, then the page can be remade. Since that is not currently the case, and there is not enough information about the object to create a reasonably sized article, I believe the page should be deleted. HAMMEROFTHOR 00:12, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — While this article does not contain nearly enough information, in my mind, to justify it's own article, I feel it should be merged with Mako's (or Mako's relationships) article and have the scarfs importance duly noted. SifuHotman90 Zuko-dobs-c7 00:50, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I agree with the above that this article is completely unnecessary, and there's really not much to merge; the information is already mentioned in Mako's article. Annawantimes (Talk) 02:43, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Should merged with Mako. ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 21:00, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Even if there was anything more to say about it, that information should rather be on the Mako page. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 05:55, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Honestly, I think it's unneeded and unnecessary. Even though we may be able to mention a few facts or some information on it, there's really no need for it. If in the next book it's lost or something happens to the scarf like Katara's necklace, then I think we could recreate the page, but for now, it's just not of need. WaterbenderTaikai Bolin sprite 01:14, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

We have a page called Aang's armor. the armor has zero relevancy to the plot, but all that's said about the armor is that Aang wore it in "Sokka's master" and fell in it. If we have a page about that, why can't we have a page about Mako's scarf? I think Mako's scarf is much more relevant than Aang's armor. You can argue that Aang is a bigger character, but in the world of avatar, there are no "bigger characters" and therefore I think Mako's scarf has a story, legitimate information that has no speculation, and it was seen in almost all episodes so far with Korra. It's important to Mako, just like Katara's necklace. if you guys are saying that Katara's necklace has a point in the plot since it was used to find Katara, I shall use the argument that not all pages on wikia have been a part of a plot, like the Aang's armor example. Plus, Mako's scarf is representative of Mako's history. You can't just delete a page stating the argument that it has nothing to do with the story right now, because it does. It's a special object to Mako. That's should be a big argument. I again say that there is a page called "sealguana" that is just a random animal that we probably had one glimpse of in one episode in one second. Why should that have it's own page? It's not relevant to the story and do not affect the characters in anyway and it has no history. Why keep that and not Mako's scarf? ChakraJoo Dee SpriteDai Li Sprite Sandwich
As I stated before, it's need more relevant contents if you want to put it at its own page. You know, it'll be more accurate and relevant if we're waiting until Book 2. When the Book 2 is released, we can put more information on the page. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 13:56, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — or Merge Merge — Hmm... the page itself holds little relevance, anything of note should be placed on Mako's page until there's good enough reason to give it it's own page. In the case of it vs Katara's necklace, that actually had two (big) uses in the show and got much more information (Though that could be just the half a season show so far). In the case of it vs Aang's armour, the armour couldn't be related to anything else, thus it gets it's own page. Mako's scarf has little or nothing to do with the plot, it had a minor use by Kora, but other than that it's just a sentimental item held by Mako. Until there's actual information of note, it should be deleted (or merge what information is needed onto Mako's page). Katara End Sprite Ruen Katara Sprite Season 3 07:27, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Just want to say that this article exists on the ru-Avatar Wiki a long. See ru:Шарф Мако. And I did not get the negative reviews about this page. Maybe you just have finish writing an article? --Kuzura@fandom;Talk 16:19, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

The negative reviews aren't really due to the page being incomplete. Most people on this wiki think all the necessary info covered here is also present on Mako's page, thus rendering it useless. However, I would be interested to hear why the ru-Avatar Wiki has kept the article. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 14:52, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

cOME ON LOOK AT HOW BIG IT IS NOW :( :)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmapink3 (wallcontribs) This note was added on 20:57, September 28, 2012 (UTC).

Delete Delete — The second aspect to consider whether to keep an article or not apart from its significance, is the amount of content present. I believe we can all agree that Mako held his scarf in high regard; much like what this necklace meant to Katara. Whether or not this is noteworthy, I'll leave it for others to decide. But the fact that this page significantly lacks content is more than enough a reason for it to be deleted. I also can't imagine merging the contents of this article into Mako without it looking out of place. Axiovatar Talk 12:00, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

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Era before the Avatar

Delete Delete — - I just came across this page and when I was reading it I realized that almost all the information that was on the page are things that happened during or after the Avatar came into the world. Since we don't know whether people learned elemental bending and then the avatar was born or vice versa or concurrently, we shouldn't speculate and put that on the page, and if we remove that from the page there are only about three sentences left. Thus I put it up for deletion. M A Mako(voice) N C Mako-chao3 00:28, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

How is the information presented only information during the Avatar's time? Oma and Shu were not during the Avatar's time. The Eternal Flame was claimed to have been the very first flame given to mankind. The source of bending has been continually cited as animals. And if the Avatar so happened to exist prior to people learning how to bend; how would he/she be capable of bending, him/herself? Oma and Shu were stated to have been the very first earthbenders, so that's automatically false. I fail to see the speculation argued. Vulmen (talkEoK) 03:36, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Delete DeleteKeep Keep — I agree, there isn't much information and we shouldn't speculate without facts since wikia is all about accuracy. I'm doubtful that any other information will be revealed about the era before the avatar, and even the people living in the Avatar world can only speculate what happened before then. Only the lion turtle knows, and he only said that "in the era before the avatar, people bent the energy within themselves." That's it. That doesn't really tell us much except that in the era before avatar, people bent the energy with themselves. And we know about Oma and Shu and the Ancient sun Warriors. But other than that, nothing is known about the avatar or how people lived or anything. Nothing is concrete. Therefore I say delete. And all the information about after the "era before the avatar", is moot because the article is about "the era before the avatar". maybe it could be merged with the Avatar page. But all this information is stated on that page already.ChakraJoo Dee SpriteDai Li Sprite Sandwich

I offer the same counter-arguments I've given to the other voters. Also; I cannot understand why you would suggest the article to be merged with the Avatar article. This is an article about a time, an entire era before the Avatar existed. It would be a bit out of place on that article. The information itself is worthy to remain where it is per the reasons I've countered with elsewhere. Vulmen (talkEoK) 03:36, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — As per the above. Majority of the article is about what happened during the avatar's time. TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 01:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

I fail to see how your argument is true. The article does not hole up using information from Aang's, or any other Avatar's, time. Vulmen (talkEoK) 03:36, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Delete DeleteKeep Keep — As per Vulmens points.SifuHotman90 Zuko-dobs-c7 01:40, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's actually a fair amount of information, including some very interesting tivia points. How is the information here not worthy of being made note of? It's part of Avatar's history, a vast timeline of detail. Gene Luen Yang even stated in his interview to Dc that he visits this site to read up on history, having such an article is nothing but beneficial. Vulmen (talkEoK) 03:36, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — At least for now, we don't know anything about era before Avatar. However, I believe that LoK Book 2 will comprises this more about. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 02:17, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's true we may get more information; that could be interesting. However we do know pieces of information, and that information is on the article as well as the trivia point. So, there is information present, and that information may only expand at the airing of LoK season 2. How is this a problem? Vulmen (talkEoK) 03:36, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Vulmen.... He made the point. Keep KeepAcer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 08:37, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I honestly do not see even the slightest speculation on this article. Can someone please elaborate on the supposed speculative points? This is a major and confirmed historical time period in the Avatarverse, so I see no need to delete it simply because the information here has been mentioned elsewhere. Especially since we have articles for broad topics like the Hundred Year War. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 02:54, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I fully agree with Sparks from Hades. Vulmen (talkEoK) 02:57, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Vulmen and Sparks. I do not see speculation in that page, which I also consider relevant to have in the wiki. We know that there were first earthbenders, which means the Avatar appeared after them. We know that the Sun Warriors invented firebending. We don't know how much time after that the Avatar appeared, but we don't need to say that. Dcasawang1wall 03:48, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per everyone else above. I fail to see how what is covered can be said to be during the Avatar's time, and what is speculative about what is written there. Collating information that comes from other articles is a perfectly acceptable reason for an article to exist, especially as there is enough information to form a reasonable sized article. HAMMEROFTHOR 11:05, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

But weren't you the one who said that "We do not keep articles on the basis that they might become a greater plot point later on, or more information might be revealed. A page must be able to stand based on what we have, not on what we might have. If it becomes important later on, then the page can be remade." so since this article MIGHT have some information revealed later on, we can remake it later. Yes, I understand that this is an actual period of time. But maybe we could just ONLY include the parts that say Oma And Shu were the first earthbenders(as well as the badgermoles) and the Ancient Sun warriors were the first firebenders(as well as the dragons) and the Sky Bison were the first airbenders. And not the stuff about after the avatar. But I realize now that the page has been revised (6 times since this vote for deletion was made) to fit these standards, so then I guess I now change my vote to keepChakrasandwich (wallcontribs)
Yes, but there is enough information for this article to create a reasonably sized article. The argument you were referring to was regarding an article which did not contain enough info, and there was an argument to keep based on the fact it might get more info later on. That does not apply in this case since the article is already reasonably sized. HAMMEROFTHOR 23:54, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Note; Chakrasandwich, if you no longer vote for the deletion of this article, please use <s></s> around your vote above to cancel it out, and enter your new vote keep. Vulmen (talkEoK) 00:29, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per everyone who votes to keep. I think this is a relevant page to the wiki. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 16:57, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per everybody above --Katara End SpriteHumble (Talk HOA) 17:02, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I feel like this page is relevant and not speculative in the least. As for content, didn't Bryke say they would focus on the history of the Avatar in Book 2 of LoK? I see this page as more of a work in progress than just a speculative or incomplete page.DancePowderer Talk 17:14, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I see no valid reason to delete this article. The information on the page is not speculative, it is based on facts that were provided during A:TLA, and it is completely relevant to the Era before the Avatar. It details the events before the Avatar Cycle began and it explains how each form of bending was developed in this time period. For those reasons, and others stated above, I think it has a place on the wiki. Annawantimes (Talk) 23:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — The information on there is sort of speculative. It kind of implies that anyone can learn to bend just by observing the original sources. If this was true, Suki and Sokka, for example could have easily learnt to waterbend/earthbend. The actual benders had to come from somewhere. Chances are it was just a legend made up since people long forgot how it actually happened. Again its speculation. But I'll agree to vote keep since there's some information of note and it will likely expand come LoK book 2(and probably 3/4). Katara End Sprite Ruen Katara Sprite Season 3 06:11, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — There is enough substance to warrant a page. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 18:21, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — There isn't any reason to delete it. I don't see how it's speculative, or even unneeded. If we delete it, then why don't we just delete everything from or has originated from that time, like Oma, Shu, Dragons, energybending, etc. And it should be keep because, per ARG, there is enough information on the page. WaterbenderTaikai Bolin sprite 01:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — There is some 'half' speculated information however, in light of what is being tackled in the next book of the Legend of Korra this page will probably fill up very soon. It seems foolish to to delete it then have to create it again in a few months. Further more, this page still has prudent information on it. Avatar Aang Cosmic Corin 01:25, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per AvatarRokusGhost and WaterbenderTaikai. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 05:57, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per everyone above. I think this is a relevant page, just because we don't know that much we should delete it. --Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 22:32, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — We can't forget that the Lion Turtle, energybending, and Oma and Shu are pretty important in A:TLA. Each of these things comes from the era before the Avatar. Omashu Rocks (Talk - Crossfire) Bosco 22:30, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

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Xing Ying, Yee-Li, Won-Yee, and Hei-Won

Delete Delete it! — or Merge Merge them! — I know these articles are new, but they all have the same exact context. I think that they would be better off if they were merged into one and called "Members of The Official Avatar Aang Fan Club." Even that might not even be neccessary, as they can all have brief descriptions on the Official Avatar Aang Fan Club page. Do you see my points? SixMoodyDwarves Sokka Sprite Season 1 Voltorb Is Back! Sokka-wolf-c1 19:25, September 27, 2012 (UTC) </span>

Neutral Neutral —Well... I'm not really sure. If we give more information on the articles, then I would say keep. Since we have little information on the characters (But then again, I haven't read TPP3 yet) maybe they should be deleted. As of now, I'm neutral. --Katara Sprite Season 3Humble (Talk HftN) 19:31, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Delete Delete — or Merge Merge — I don't think there is much information on the characters themselves to split them into their own articles. They might be best merged into the fan club article itself. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 19:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I know I've already given my response up there, but I think KFB has some good points. --Katara Sprite Season 3Humble (Talk HftN) 19:42, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep- well, sorta: I'm not at all opposed to these four girls having their own articles. We have articles of similar nature on other minor characters. However, I'd delete them in their current form and recreate them only when they're presentable. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 19:51, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I say we merge all four of them together and then call it The Founders of the Official Avatar Aang Fan Club or something like that. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 21:05, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — As per Voltorb.TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 21:41, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree with the above, information about these characters can be added to the Official Avatar Aang Fan Club article. Annawantimes (Talk) 23:27, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — and Keep Keep — - Keep Xing Ying, and merge the rest. Srijay KTechFilmer 01:02, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — atleast, don't delete them. They're all characters. There are some characters who don't even talk in any part of A:TLA and some animals who you may have got on glimpse of. Xing Ying and all those other founders all had relevance, all talked to Aang, all did something notable, all can be referenced to a few articles(the promise), yea and per above ChakraJoo Dee SpriteDai Li Sprite Sandwich

I now fully support the Yee-Li and Xing Ying articles staying on the wiki in their current form. I urge everyone to look at their expanded versions before making a final decision regarding them. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:04, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep —/Merge Merge — Per ARG. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 02:23, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I know this is my 3rd decision but Keep Keep — The articles are in a better state now, and we have articles on people like the Corncob guy, so why not these articles? Katara Sprite Season 3Humble (Talk HftN) 02:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I don't think they need to be merged with Official Avatar Aang Fan Club. We should condense these four articles all into one, as they do have a distinction from normal fan club members. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 20:28, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep it! — I now think that these articles should be kept. Someone took the task of expanding them into their own hands, and I now urge you all to change your stance too. SixMoodyDwarves Sokka Sprite Season 1 Voltorb Is Back! Sokka-wolf-c1 21:47, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

But I do think we should delete Won-Yee. Was she even in the comics, or did I miss something? --Katara Sprite Season 3Humble (Talk HftN) 22:47, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
She was the one who told Katara it was an honor to meet Aang's "first" girlfriend. We should keep them all now. They've been sufficiently expanded. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 22:19, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I waited for a few days until voting on this since I wasn't sure (not having the comic myself) whether each character page could be sufficiently different to warrant having separate pages rather than large page, or merged elsewhere. However, as it stands, each page has its own distinct history, and each page has enough information on the page to constitute a reasonably sized article. Therefore, I believe all pages are worth keeping. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:44, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep KeepZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 10:35, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — At first I thought this articles should be merged into one, but that was four days ago, when they were so new that they have the exact same text, but now, they are more different that then, so I don't see any real reason to delete them. And I think that we have articles with much less content that are in the wiki and are perfectly fine.--Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 23:34, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — -- King Marth 64 (talkother wikisblogs) FE4_Junior_Lord_Sprite.gif Peace_Ness.png 06:53, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per SparksFromHades. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 07:34, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — The articles are comprehensive enough now, I'm changing my vote. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 19:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I agree that they are different enough to be kept. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 14:26, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

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Official Avatar Aang Fan Club

Merge Merge — Since we have now found out the Official Avatar Aang Fan Club became the Air Acolytes, we should merge this article with Air Acolytes. The organization name is officially outdated. The Fan Club and the Air Acolytes are one and the same. AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 22:15, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — There is enough of a distinction between the two factions to warrant respective pages for each. Claiming the fan club is outdated is like saying Air Nomads are outdated because the Air Acolytes replaced them. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 23:31, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

They didn't replace the Air Nomads. They are just carrying on their culture. There's a difference. But the fan club and the Air Acolytes are two different names for the same respective organization, at least in my opinion. AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 23:36, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — As Sparks said, there is a distinction between these two groups, enough so to warrant separate pages. Aang's fan club was initially founded by dedicated fans of Aang for a different purpose than the Air Acolytes, and if I'm not mistaken (I have not yet read TPP3), the Air Acolytes were formed from only the Yu Dao chapter of Aang's fan club. Annawantimes (Talk) 23:43, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh shoot. Yeah, you're right. Umm, ok I see what you guys are saying right now. So should I withdraw my proposal since I no longer agree with what I've said? AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 23:50, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

That won't be necessary, if you have changed your mind, simply cross out your initial vote and add a keep vote, then, if there is no oppose, no action will be taken. :) Annawantimes (Talk) 23:54, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — per everyone. they're not at all the same. We can keep the fan club as a historical reference to the Air acolytes, and plus. if we merge them, a lot of the stuff on th page of fan club would not be able to make it to the air acolytes cause they're just not the same. the fan club was an actual organization, who annoyed Katara, helped Aang fight in the harmony restoration movement battle(or whatever its called), offered for Aang to stay out their place, were obsessed with Aang, etc. you can't say that about the Air Acolytes. ChakraJoo Dee SpriteDai Li Sprite Sandwich

Keep Keep — Per everyone above that voted to keep. Appa-dobs1HenryJh 98 (BlogsATSWFFF)Appa Sprite 02:04, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Why? They make their own appearances; I agree with Annawan. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! Jet sprite 08:37, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree with you Tyler, the Fan Club was the foundation to the Air Acolytes, it was just renamed when Aang took over it. Thus, they are the same exact thing. What would have happened if Azula decided to rename the Dai Li when she took the group with her to the Fire Nation? Or if New Ozai would have stayed that way? Should we have separated articles for Omashu and New Ozai since Omashu was there before or should we add them to the Omashu history then?--Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 22:19, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I mean with you before you changed your mind.--Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 22:23, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
Using the Dai Li as an example isn't the best comparison for the two because the only thing that changed about the Dai Li was their leadership. Aside from that, they were the exact same as during their time in the Earth Kingdom. A better example would be comparing the Air Nomads to the Air Acolytes. We have articles for both because the two, while somewhat similar, are still vastly different in many ways. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 22:29, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
I completely agree with you in the Air Acolytes being different from the Air Nomads, thats for sure. But The Dai Li also change purpose, they went form keeping the War hidden inside Ba Sing Se and eliminate any threat of discovery to avoid the chaos in the city, to protect Azula and served as her personal guard.--Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 22:42, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, but I would still argue that the Fan Club therefore changed its purpose as well. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 17:40, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I mean, I think they should be merged because they are essentially the same thing, the Fan Club was the antecedent of the Air Acolytes per se. They practically didn't change their purpose, at least the Yu Dao chapter, that obviously had more intentions to live according to the Air Nomad's philosophy more than the Ba Sing Se chapter.--Sr.Shenanigans (wallcontribs) 23:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

No, since it had vastly changed it's purpose, we should keep it. Ozai Spirte The Final BattleSparks From HadesAzula sprite23 21:26, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I would't say vastly, I still think that they are essencially the same because everything I said before. But since it't obvious that the page is going to be kept, I won't be discussing this anymore, it's just seems pointless.

Keep Keep — There is enough distinction between the two groups to warrant each having a separate page. The connection between the two groups can be well detailed on both pages, but I do not believe merging them into one page would be beneficial. From what I can gather from reading the various pages, not all members of the Club became AA's, so to say they are the same seems erroneous. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:44, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — -- King Marth 64 (talkother wikisblogs) FE4_Junior_Lord_Sprite.gif Peace_Ness.png 06:54, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per almost everyone. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 07:36, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Article is kept.
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