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Varri-cake Edit

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Delete Delete — Quite simply put, this is a pointless article. There is almost no history or information on the actual product, with the entire article barely reaching four lines. The information contained there is speculative regarding the appearance of the food, and the second point would be better placed as trivia for the Lu and Gang page. FruipyLoops Toph-DoBS-2 01:34, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Fruipit. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 01:37, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Fruipit. I added the cake to the Cuisine in the World of Avatar page, and everything relevant is included there. There is no need for a separate page. HAMMEROFTHOR 14:55, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I tried to expand it and remove some of the speculation but, it's still incredibly short and doesn't really have a reason exist. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 16:13, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Simply because, it is a regular food item that must be added to the list. Seriously? If we delete this, then we must delete the rest of the food items, which is highly annoying. Admiral Ahmad, Firebending Master, Owner of a fleet of 500 Fire Nation Airships, Fire Lord's Most Trusted Advisor, Slayer of the Dragons, and the Eliminator of the Airbending Arts. 16:28, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it must be added to the list of other foods, that also do not have their own pages. This was shown less than five minutes in total, it is not important. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:03, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — The information in the article fits sufficiently enough on the Cuisine in the World of Avatar page. We don't know much more about this than something like Flameo's instant noodles, so there's no need for a separate page for this one. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:23, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — This should go on the list with a pic, it doesn't deserve anymore since it lacks anymore information or significance such as tea would. That's just my opinion. The Snowbold (wallcontribs) 02:40, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Avatar Edit

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See this page,<a href="http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Wiki:War_Room/Adding_Dark_Avatar,">http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Wiki:War_Room/Adding_Dark_Avatar,</a> for discussion. Avatar Aang Cosmic Corin 02:29, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris and myself in the forum. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:32, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I would delete it as is. Unless we were to express every detail, it would best go under a section of the Avatar page instead. I sort of see it like the Phoenix King title. It was only there for a couple of episodes and never really was practiced beyond a single day by Ozai. However, with all the detail in it, it is a good article that shouldn't be removed. If we cannot provide the same quality to the Dark Avatar, then I recommend deletion as well. The Snowbold (wallcontribs) 02:50, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I would also delete as well. I wanted to do it myself when I saw it get first made, but I can't do that yet as I am not that kind of a user. If we were to have something about Dark Avatar, we can have it on the Avatar page instead. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 03:04, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Honestly, I can't find a single logical reason to have this deleted. And besides, having the Dark Avatar and the Avatar share pages is horribly wrong. It better remain a separate page. User:Ahmad15, {{SUBST:AhmadSig}} 17:07, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I don't see anything wrong with this article, to be honest. Why make things more complicated by dividing this information across pages? SuperAvatar (wallcontribs) 03:50, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — We have a separate article for the Phoenix King even though all that info could be contained on Ozai's page. I'd like to think there isn't a double standard here so I say we keep it. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 04:32, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — You know, I was originally for adding Unavaatu to the Avatar's page, since they're essentially the same type of being, but after looking at the 2 pages, I think that's a terrible idea. Unavaatu's page is long enough to hold its own. The Avatar's page is enormous, &amp; says many things that don't necessarily apply to Unavaatu, like how it can bend all 4 elements. Combining the pages would just be a lot of inefficient rewriting to create a long, meandering page. It's much more readable &amp; less confusing to keep them separate.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 05:14, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Hmm, although I was the one to suggest it to be a subsection of the Avatar page, I changed my mind. Even though that page needs some serious rewriting and all, it can stand on its own, thus allowing for more specific details to be added and others that do not apply to the Dark Avatar to be omitted. The finale left much open questions, as to whether or not the Dark Avatar spirit is in fact destroyed, did it have the ability to get the other elements? Cause Wan got them from Raava since Raava held them for him after receiving them from the lion turtles. If the Dark Avatar would've lived, would he be able to do the same? What about the vine things etc etc. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:50, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep —I'm voting to keep it; I think the Dark Avatar is so fundamentally different from the Avatar, that it does not make sense to feature them on the same page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FirelordRoku (wallcontribs) 08:09, November 18, 2013 (UTC)


Keep Keep — I too support keeping it per The Snowbold's and Lostris' reasoning. Avatar Aang Cosmic Corin 15:13, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Can I change my vote? The page has been incredibly improved since my vote for delete. The points I have made have largely been corrected in some manner or other. The Snowbold (wallcontribs) 00:20, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per above. Out of curiosity, where did we get the name, "Dark Avatar" from? --Srijay K - TechFilmer 13:22, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

From Unalaq's literal statement: "[...] we will become the new Avatar. A Dark Avatar." Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:39, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. Srijay K - TechFilmer 15:46, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — The current page proves that there is significant enough amount of information to warrant an article of its own. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 15:44, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — After re-reading it and seeing the ones changed theirs vote. I will change mine too. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 17:19, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I think the article is significant enough to warrant its own page as the Dark Avatar is quite different from the Light Avatar. And it's not like it's a very small article, I have seen smaller. MeDeoPal 15:26, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Animal companion Edit

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Delete Delete — Per the developments in the war room, I'm convinced that the best way to move forward is just to delete this page. "Animal companion" has never been used in any canonical works, and the specifics of what the term encompasses remains obscure. "Animal guide" pertains only to Appa and Fang, if we are looking at confirmed and verified information, and anything else added to that would be assumption. All pertinent information on the page as of now is already noted (and detailed more extensively) in their appropriate pages, i.e. the relationships pages, and so there really is no need for this page. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:31, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep —There's not really a template for what I think should be done. A list of characters with animals is valid &amp; potentially useful information for a reader. Animal guide, as I noted on the other page, is a canon term that has some meaning related to the Avatar, even if Naga &amp; Mula aren't mentioned by name. So, basically, I think that the page should be split.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 04:09, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per my bringing it up in the War Room: there is too much ambiguity about the term, leaving it completely up for anyone's interpretation. There is nothing we can objectively say about it without falling back on a decent amount of speculative interpretation. All notable mentions, like Appa and Fang being explicitly named animal guides, are already mentioned on their respective pages, which suffices given the scarce information in general about the term. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:41, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris and WS. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 04:19, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I see no reason why it should be removed per Neo. Also, we may think it is unneeded but we have to remember that anyone will come on here seeking information and they may just need to fins out more about animal companions. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 17:57, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

You have completely missed the point as to why it is unneeded: it is not so because we think so, it is unneeded because we don't know what exactly an animal companion is. As such, we cannot have an objective and encyclopedic page about it. As said above, all the relevant information about "animal guide" is already on Appa and Fang's page. For the rest, everything is sort of speculation. And also, logically speaking, no one will come to this wiki thinking "I am going to visit the animal guide page/animal companion page". People that read that page do so by finding it either accidentally and/or by clicking on a link that redirected there. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:06, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
I see what you're saying. Couldn't we keep it and wait until a later date (say after the new LOK season has finished and resume this) and then make the decision so as to see if it is possible to gather more information on animal guides and if not come back to this? Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 19:56, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
There's always the option of remaking the page if enough information arises at a later date, I've seen it done several times in the past and it's highly efficient and more cohesive, I find. Now, to add on what LL said, as of now, the page draws more confusion than it provides information when stumbled upon; newer visitors are more likely to draw false conclusions when reading the page (as opposed to the relationships and appropriate character pages where the information provided is more clearly defined), hence why there have been so many http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Animal_companion?action=history because people assume that some companions are guides, and vice versa. That's just not productive or favourable to me, and so I would just delete it for the time-being. It's very unpleasant having a page essentially drawn largely from assumptions, in my opinion. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:02, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
I see. Just wondering how come no one said anything like this when Neo objected to keep the page? Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 20:12, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
We did, in my comment and in the concurrent War Room forum that was going on and where he was also a part of. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:47, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
I specifically found the Animal Companion page by searching "Animal Guide," because I wanted to know what it meant. This is the whole reason I even use Wikis. So I found the animal companion page &amp;, while it may be less than ideal in its current incarnation, it still taught me that no one else really knows what it means either. I think that's a pretty overlooked function. Though I'm unsure what we're arguing about now. Is it the fact that pages can be remade? I thought that was pretty self-evident.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 21:27, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
And what exactly would be the point to have a page whose sole value is to alert the readers that "no one knows what it is" -which can be just as easily implied by the absence of the page in the first place. (And we are discussing whether or not to keep the page around. The fact that it can be recreated was a direct response to Snivystorm's question). Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:06, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
You ask what the point in having it is, but I ask what the point in deleting it is. It's ambiguous. Okay. Still a canonical term of some significance. That's kind of what a Wiki is meant for, length aside. Also, a confirmation of a negative really is different from a lack of information. Not having a page for it could, from the perspective of a 3rd party naive to this debate, also imply a failure in the search function or that no one has thought to make the page yet.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 14:37, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris and WS. ― Thailog 21:28, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Removing this page is like removing the Avatar's own page! This is very important and holds, even if not identified as Important by some, important information. Keep it. Admiral Ahmad, Firebending Master, Owner of a fleet of 500 Fire Nation Airships, Fire Lord's Most Trusted Advisor, Slayer of the Dragons, and the Eliminator of the Airbending Arts. 16:28, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Removing what important information exactly? If you can tell me what exactly we'll be losing that is not already included in five or more other pages that are far more appropriate? There is nothing important on that page that can't be expanded on other pages. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:02, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I think we should keep it as not all the animals would fit under the classification that Fang and Appa did, so having the two separate pages is a good idea in my opinion. The Snowbold (wallcontribs) 00:38, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Throughout the show animal companions have played pivotal roles to many characters. The animal companion meme may not be openly acknowledged in the show in words, but to deny it would be to bury your head beneath the sands and deny the obvious. SuperAvatar (wallcontribs) 00:52, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per opinions in favor of deletion, since we really don't have a concrete definition, it's a bit speculation to leave this up. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 15:47, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — While it's not exactly concrete, animal companions have been a pretty massive part of both series, and the term itself, while vageue, serves as a good catch-all term for all the spirit animals and pets that exist within them. That said, I do think it needs a major clean-up if it's to stay on the wiki, but I don't think "It needs a lot of work" is in quite the same category as "it needs to be deleted". - Regal lionturtle, 17:30, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

It seems pretty counterproductive to me to allow a page like this to stay, full of assumptions and otherwise irrelevant information that could very well fit in more than enough existing pages, while more than a dozen others were deleted just as quickly for the same reason. It seems unreasonable to have a page for pets, and glorify them to the extent that warrants the creation and use of a term that has no canonical basis. And to clarify, I don't believe anyone who has voted in favor of deleting the page argues that companions do not play an important role- rather, a page solely about them does not, because the information included is more appropriate to pages where they are more relevant. Of course Naga is important to Korra, and Pabu is important to Bolin. Isn't that the reason why we have a category solely dedicated to relationships between characters? To outline those relationships in detail? Waterbending emblem Water Spout 22:05, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
Well, actually, from a database standpoint, a list of domesticated animals would be very useful. It probably shouldn't be called "animal companion," or include a bunch of speculation, but it would be useful to someone who is looking up information. As for the animal guides, I guess that Fang's &amp; Appa's pages could be modified to say that the term is ambiguous, but I don't see how having a page that goes more in depth is a bad thing. Worried about speculation? Just make sure it doesn't say anything untrue or misleading, problem solved.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 00:50, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
I don't see the need to have a page to detail a list of pets, or "companions" who just so happened to have been with a human. It seems highly unnecessary. If anything, specifications such as that can be easily accommodated by Fauna in the World of Avatar or Transportation in the World of Avatar, even. Animals coexisting with humans are going to be seen again and again, and there's no need to collect that information based on the justification that it's "convenient" or that someone would find it useful. It would also be useful to have a page with all the female characters and a page with all the male characters, but that doesn't mean that we should make those pages or tolerate them just for the sake of them fitting a database perspective.
Like I said, nobody is arguing about the information that is correct there. For the most part, everything is canon, except the actual page. To say that Flopsie is in the same categorization as Naga, who has clearly demonstrated a closer connection to her human companion than the former, is ridiculous, and is misleading in every sense of the word. Removing everything that shouldn't belong there due to misinterpretation from how ambiguous the criteria is would strip the page of virtually everything relevant. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 01:51, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
I have 3 immediate thoughts to that: 1. Wouldn't that be more of a category than a list? 2. Either way, if it's useful, why shouldn't it be made? I'm just very perplexed at how easily an encyclopedia can blow off archiving canon information in an accessible way. 3. I'm not so convinced that your hypothetical even is useful. A list of domesticated animals is useful because we have no outside knowledge of which of these animals is even capable of being domesticated. The only reason I can think of for wanting to find a list of male/female characters is if you were doing a project on gender representation, in which case only the main cast would really matter to you. Also, I don't believe anyone said that Flopsie should be considered on the same level as Naga, so I'm not sure what the point in telling me that is.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 02:12, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Your interpretation of what is useful and what isn't clearly isn't in line with mine. I see no difference with the case I brought and this page. Both are unnecessary. That is what the page is currently suggesting. And that is a cause of misinterpretation, which is something I do not particularly support. Animal companion has no canonical basis nor is it clear on identifying what is a companion and what isn't one. A "specific, individual animal with which a person shares a special connection" is so ambiguous. And to list trivial animals like Flopsie, or even animals that we cannot even justifiably deduce had a "special connection" with their owner (whatever special connection is even supposed to mean) like Mula and Poki, alongside animals like Naga and Bosco is just ridiculous. If you need a reference as to which animals are domesticated, then it's logical to just go to the page that encompasses all animals, which as it now stands already lists which animals have been domesticated in the first place. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 00:01, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's your own fault. I explained how they are different situations. If you can tell me why anyone would possibly need a list of male or female characters, then I will agree that they're the same situation. But that would be a pretty strange argument, since you would by definition be refuting the claim that the pages are unnecessary.
Anyway, the animal page would not count as a reference for domesticated animals, because you'd have to go through every animal &amp; create an independent list for which ones are domesticated. That is not a reference page, that is a search, &amp; not a very efficient one at that. I suppose that you could make a subheading in that page, which I would also be fine with. Lastly, I should again note that no one said that this page should make up terminology or equate Flopsie with Appa. I really have to ask that you stop bringing that up like you're disproving something that's been said. This clearly was not appreciated when it was felt that people accused you &amp; others of disputing the canonicity of animal guides.Neo Bahamut (wallcontribs) 06:32, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Given how close this vote has gotten, I think it's time to weigh in. In short, I agree with deleting the page at this time based on WS and Lostris's reasoning. As of now, we really don't know much about a so-called official "animal companion" to the Avatar. Yes, Aang had Appa, and Korra had Naga, and Roku had Fang, but there's no concrete, canon, non-speculative material that ties them all together as an Avatar's animal companion. We didn't see one for Kyoshi in any of the flashbacks she was featured in, so we have no idea whether or not she had one. Even if she did, that doesn't prove that having an animal companion is directly related to being the Avatar. It's just speculation. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:23, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — The reason I don't ever leave my input on these (or on things like PIC, etc.) is because I don't wanna restart the three-day limit when I can see things are going in the direction I want them to go from the start, but this vote is unusually split. So, per previous, like-minded arguments, this page has to go. It's speculative as to the very definition of animal companion, and I'm tired of seeing arguments pertaining to this page intermittently pop up so often when it's obvious that there is little to go on (without making conjectures) about the topic at all. Krazykid51 14:25, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Avatar Wiki:Find IRC users Edit

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Delete Delete — Fairly obvious, 90% of the users aren't even on IRC nowadays, plus most active IRC users are not very active on the Wiki, and thus, don't update this page. Srijay K - TechFilmer 05:36, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I still think it can be useful, they're not all outdated and I think sometimes it can be useful if one is looking for an admin. Even though it's not fully in use, I don't see the reason for its complete removal. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 08:55, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — This has no point. It is incorrect for the majority of people and in general, if people want to meet on IRC, they just send each other a message. Same for the need for an administrator: people just post a message on the administrator board or directly on the wall of an administrator that is online. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:10, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per above. If it is no longer serving the purpose it was intended for, there seems little reason for it to be kept. HAMMEROFTHOR 16:54, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per above. The article is pointless and obsolete. SukitheNinja Suki Sprite 03:07, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Delete Delete — It is indeed an outdated page that I don't reckon is visited very often, if at all, today. As Lostris said, sending a simple message is more efficient. The Ultimate Waterbender 05:12, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Nation councilwoman's husband Edit

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Delete Delete — I vote to delete this article since this person didn't have a name, useless article (since this only shows a very little information). This has no use to be on this wiki. AvatarMJC (wallcontribs) 13:24, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Firstly, the fact that he didn't have a name isn't much of a reason to delete; it isn't a requirement for an article to exist that it have a canon given name. Secondly, I don't see how this is a useless article which has "no use to be on this wiki". I think there is a reasonable amount of information on the article, and it is of a good enough length to warrant being kept. HAMMEROFTHOR 13:31, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Merge Merge — With Fire Nation councilwoman (Like we had for Tonraq and Senna) Srijay K - TechFilmer 13:59, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Merge Merge — With Fire Nation Council woman. This can't be deleted because even the most minor of character have pages, more so those that don't have names. --Iluvcinderella (wallcontribs) 14:24, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — What would we do, give him his own little section somewhere on the page about his wife? That would look odd. Or just integrate his small part into the history section of his wife? It would stick out like a sore thumb imo, his info suddenly there right before we start talking about his wife again. His article is of a reasonable length considering some other articles, and there is no need to merge it with his wife. Krazykid51 14:37, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — There is no reason to delete this article. And per Krazykid, merging him with his wife would just look odd. The parallel with Tonraq and Senna cannot be applied here because Tonraq and Senna were originally on the same page since they had only ever appeared together. They had no separate history and since there is no point in having two pages with identical info, they were merged. Here, however, the FN councilwoman does have a history on her own and as such deserves to have a page on her own. Same as her husband. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:27, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Krazykid and LL. There's no logical reason to merge their pages together. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 16:11, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Krazykid and LL. SukitheNinja Suki Sprite 16:20, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Him and his wife don't belong together in an article and the page is substantial enough. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:41, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Comic-Con Edit

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Delete Delete — This page is almost a direct copy from the Comic-Con Wiki, with only a few small alterations here and there. As far as I can tell, there is no Avatar specific information added to the page, so I'm not really sure on what point it serves. If someone wanted to know about C-C, they would be served far better looking at the Wikipedia or Comic-Con Wiki pages. Unless some Avatar specific info is added, I believe this page should be deleted. HAMMEROFTHOR 21:36, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blubbered seal jerky Edit

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Delete Delete — It's short and has a totally useless history section. One might say merging it with the cuisine article would work better, but what would we add to the article that isn't already there? The history doesn't need to be added because it's history, which is not customarily added to that article, and one of the intro sentences, "It is commonly eaten by the people of the Water Tribe, who consider it a valuable and convenient food source," is entirely speculative. No need for merge, just delete. Krazykid51 01:38, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I would agree as well, as I check both pages and it should be. As because on it page, it don't have a photo of it. And we only heard of it once, so yea delete it. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 03:43, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Really it is just too short for it to be a page,we can just add it to the watertribe cusine page so delete.--Gsmith1030 (wallcontribs) 18:02, January 6, 2014 (UTC).


Prickle snake Edit

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Merge Merge — with Fauna in the World of Avatar. I'm going to go ahead with the standard VfD reasoning and say that this creature was a minor detail. I doubt that anyone who doesn't know of this page even realizes the creature exists, or, much less, was mentioned in the first place. Furthermore, no other information is known other than "The prickle snake is a serpentine creature that inhabits the Earth Kingdom". On the Fauna page, 'Prickle snake' can easily be expanded from "Serpentine creature" to something along the lines of "Serpentine creature that is sometimes found in sleeping bags". GPFluteAvatar 19:06, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I would agree. The article is not really very long, and all the relevant information can easily be written in a way that could be included on the fauna page. HAMMEROFTHOR 23:10, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Agree as well. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 23:50, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Film:The Last Airbender - deleted scenes Edit

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Merge Merge — With The Last Airbender. A standalone article just about which scenes were deleted is not necessary; we can just as easily fit that in on the main film article itself. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 03:26, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree. A lot of the information looks as though it can be condensed, too. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 03:37, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Agreed. There is no need for a separate article. HAMMEROFTHOR 07:36, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Spider snake Edit

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Merge Merge — with the Fauna page. The article explains itself: "not much is known about the species". We didn't see it, we have no history about it, and we only have one fact for it (which can be easily integrated, no less). It was only mentioned once, and the article is rather short and is taking up valuable space on the wiki. On the Fauna page, "Spider and snake hybrid with ten eyes" can be expanded to "Spider and snake hybrid with ten eyes. Rolling two fives while gambling is called 'spider snake eyes' for this reason." GPFluteAvatar 20:14, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree with your reasoning, though I would proffer a slightly different wording:

  • Spider snake — Ten-eyed chimerical creature known to inhabit the Earth Kingdom. In gambling, rolling two fives is known as "spider snake eyes".

Just flows a little better I feel. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:28, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

I always "go with the flow", per se. Agreed. GPFluteAvatar 22:31, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


Hing Wa Island Edit

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Merge Merge — with Geography of the World of Avatar. It was mentioned once, as a detail to enhance the reality of a minor conversation; we haven't seen it; we have no real history for the page besides its existence; and the one fact we have for it is minor. If we must expand on what the Geography page says already, "Hing Wa Island - Grows ash bananas which are imported to villages across the Fire Nation" could become "Hing Wa Island - Grows ash bananas which are imported to villages across the Fire Nation. The journey to the island is two days long from Hama's village." GPFluteAvatar 00:19, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I say that we should merge it just with the episode of "The Puppetmaster", since it was just a mentioned name. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 00:35, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree with merging it with the Geography page. It wouldn't make sense to merge it with the episode page, since the episode is a real world article, and the article (or information) about the island is intended to be in universe. HAMMEROFTHOR 00:38, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree with the idea in general, just would like to put this suggestion out there for wording:

"Hing Wa Island - Grows ash bananas which are imported to villages across the Fire Nation. It takes two days to reach the island from Hama's village." PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 15:50, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Komodo chicken Edit

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Merge Merge — with Cuisine in the World of Avatar. No appearances (outside a box, at least), no facts, no notable history. Since the two instances in which it was mentioned involved it being part of a meal, I think it would be more meaningful to merge it with Cuisine rather than Fauna. "Komodo chicken - Presumably roasted" could be expanded to "Komodo chicken - Presumably roasted. In 100 AG, Zuko took a box of komodo chicken to his uncle, Iroh, during his imprisonment in the Capital City Prison." It may be more meaningful if we leave out Roku's thoughts because they did not involve a appearance of the food. GPFluteAvatar 19:13, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I agree with Grammarpoliceman about merging with the cuisine page. But maybe we should also add it with fauna as well, since the dish is a meat. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 20:06, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I proposed the merger with the Cuisine page not only because of my reasons aformentioned, but also because the Fauna page already details all relevant known information. To add a history of the animals' use as a food source would be going outside of the bounds of what the Fauna article is meant to dicuss. When you look at the Fauna article, you're usually there to look up information about the animal. When you go to the Cuisine article, you're there to learn how the animal is used in food and its history of use in food. GPFluteAvatar 00:06, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — No objections here. There's really not that much information about it, so having an entire article for it does seem a bit silly. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 00:24, January 27, 2014 (UTC)


Shu (Fire Nation general) Edit

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Merge Merge — This page does not contain much information, and the necessary information that it does have can be found in the history section of Zhao's page. Also, this character does not even meet the minor character criteria, as he never says any lines, nor does he appear, so the page should be merged with Military of the Fire Nation. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 02:43, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — I think we could probably do the same as we did with Admiral Liang and just move the information from Shu's article onto Military of the Fire Nation, under the appropriate list of commanding officers. HAMMEROFTHOR 07:09, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Racism in the World of Avatar Edit

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Delete Delete — This page is largely speculative and interpretative. Racism can be seen in anything, but it's not because someone finds something to be racist that it actually is. There are possibly examples of racism in Avatar to be found, but the examples currently listed are not one of them. There are so many other explanations for why people said/did what they did without reaching for the "racism" explanation; for example, being rude and/or insulting someone of a different ethnicity by saying something relating to their ethnicity doesn't necessarily have to mean that you are a racist, it can also just be that it was the easiest insult that came to mind, without actually also sporting racist attitude. As such, the page serves little informational value as what is perceived as racist is something rather personal, with some general exceptions of course, but having that debate is not for the Avatar Wiki to facilitate. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:48, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I agree with Lady Lostris. I think that racism is up to interpretation. Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 18:00, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — per the reasoning above - calling these signs of racism is stretching it. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 18:11, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Racism is a terrible thing. It should exist in the smallest amount possible, preferably not at all. Therefore, creating a page for it on a wiki about a show with nothing to do with racism is unnecessary. This is Slash, mission complete! 18:30, February 8, 2014 (UTC) Suki SpriteIroh Sprite OWL Outfit

Delete Delete — Why would we even need this page? Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 20:07, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep — PLEASE READ THIS REASONING: Let me tell you guys what. There were no signs of Politics in the World of Avatar, yet we still have a page about that. This is redicioulous. I mean, even wikipedia has a page concerning Racism in almost EVERY region in the world. Society in the World of Avatar is also redicioulous. If this were to be deleted, then Society in the World of Avatar and Politics in the World of Avatar MUST be deleted as well. Also, if you guys think the examples in this page are inaccurate. FINE. Change them. Also, if this page was deleted, I'm sure someone will recreate it, and I'll be really mad if the page is kept after that point. Hope my vote counts as a creator of this page. Admiral AhmadFirebending Master, Slayer of the Dragons, and the Eliminator of the Airbending Arts. 14:39, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Your reasoning for why society and politics need to be deleted if the racism page is deleted is without solid basis. Those other two pages are objective to a reasonable standard. The racism page is not, not by a long shot. If I were to change the inaccurate examples on the page, I would delete them all as none of them are examples of racism. As such, we would be left with an empty page, which is not the point of this wiki. Being the creator of a page holds no extra power in a voting. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:50, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
Look, even if you delete the content of the page, you can still fill it with another content, so your point is invalid. Also, I never hoped for extra power as creator of the page, I just asked if I would still be allowed to vote for this, don't misunderstand me. Admiral AhmadFirebending Master, Slayer of the Dragons, and the Eliminator of the Airbending Arts. 18:11, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding then. For future reference, everyone can vote in these sort of things, including the creator.
Anyway, I do not see how my point is invalid just because we would be able to include the information on those other two pages elsewhere. But either way, since those two pages aren't up for deletion, debating their fate is unneeded. As dor the racism page, we strive on this wiki to be an objective encyclopedia about Avatar. As such, we only try to include objective facts, not interpretative based events, which your listings of racism basically are. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:16, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
Admiral Ahmad, if I may suggest, we can userify this page under User:Admad15/Racism in the World of Avatar so others can continue pitch in. Once the content has matured, you can propose to the Avatar Wiki:War Room to place it back to the mainspace. At present state, I have to agree with the others. Even if the content is non-POV, there is not enough material to warrant its on page, though most of it may be incorporated into other pages, e.g., under Trivia. Please don't be discouraged or take it personally. Later. — Hasdi Bravo &amp;bull; 19:32, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


Bhanti Village Temple Edit

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Merge Merge — With the newly created page for the Bhanti Tribe, I propose we merge the Bhanti Village Temple with that page. The history section of both pages is nearly identical and the relevant information that solely deals with the temple can easily be merged with the Bhanti Tribe page. Neither pages will get any longer than they are now as the tribe is not going to make a reappearance. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:07, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — That didn't even come to my mind but I'm all for it. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 09:17, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Don't see a problem with this. Any specifics on the temple itself can easily be added as a separate section on the page. HAMMEROFTHOR 10:10, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Merge Merge — Per the original argument. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:32, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Merge MergeZane T 69 (wallcontribs) 16:38, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

New Ozai (disambiguation) Edit

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Delete Delete — I do not feel that this disambiguation page is entirely needed. A link to Mai's father seems unnecessary, and I think a notice at the top of New Ozai Society directing people to the Omashu page would be sufficient for any confusion that may occur. HAMMEROFTHOR 13:49, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per HoT. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:00, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Don't really think a vote for this was needed, but since one is going on, might as well. Hopefully we can pass this easily within three days if this is the last vote :-) Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:07, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per above, it's pretty pointless. LL's vote wasn't that long ago so it's not really a delay. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 03:23, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

As a minor note: it actually is a delay. My vote was on May 31, yours on June 1, meaning it created a one day delay. Not that it really matters, but it does is a real delay of a day. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:50, June 1, 2014 (UTC)


The Boy in the Iceberg (disambiguation) Edit

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Delete Delete — I think this one can be covered by a simple "For the play/episode, go to [this page]" statement. Aang was also listed on this page, but I don't think it's necessary as I doubt people would be searching Aang via "Boy in the iceberg". As a result, I don't believe this disambig is needed. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:23, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per KFB. A notice at the top of the respective articles would suffice. HAMMEROFTHOR 14:30, June 12, 2014 (UTC)


Fort Bosco Edit

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Delete Delete — It is a very short page with nearly no chance ti expansion. The Si Wong Desert page hold a section detailing about this fort which also contains all the known information about the fort. As such, there is no need to have that minute page around. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:38, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Per Lostris. The listing on the desert article can cover it. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 15:42, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — I agree with LL, if it ever does require more info, it can all ways be re added. But we don't know for sure we'll get more info about Fort Bosco. So delete. Zane T 69 (wallcontribs) 15:48, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — We have only minimal information on the fort given that it was only briefly mentioned in the episode, so I think the section on the SWD page is sufficient to cover what we do know. HAMMEROFTHOR 15:56, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — It's simply stated in Si Wong Desert article. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive)


Zaheer's relationships Edit

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Delete Delete — I do not really see the point of this page. Basically, the entire world would be his enemy as he wants to plunge it into chaos and anarchy. He has not real personal enemies -like Korra, she views him as her enemy, but he doesn't view her as his enemy, he just sees her as the Avatar whom he needs for something. So his "enemies" are just circumstantial enemies, namely the people who stand in his way to achieve his goals, but that doesn't mean he has something against them personally. For the rest, he isn't show to have much meaningful interaction to create a relationship page for. He has with his team...well, somewhat at least, but that is already sufficiently covered by the Red Lotus page. So basically, I don't see any real added value that this page could bring beyond being a recollection of people he fought with, which isn't the point of a relationship page. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:13, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — It would seem like his only meaningful personal interactions would be with P'Li, and there's not even very much to say about that. So, I agree with the deletion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:02, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep — It's too soon to make a choice, still three episodes left. I propose deleting this thread till end of Season three, or locking it. We can all make a more informed choice then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zane T 69 (wallcontribs) 15:56, August 10, 2014

"Too soon" how exactly? Ten episode were not enough to warrant such a page, but the last three are going to make a difference? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:58, August 10, 2014 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Even if the last three episodes were to come up with enough information, as of now, an article is not warranted, which is the purpose of a VfD. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 16:00, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Why would we delete this page? Zaheer has meaningful relationships with P'li, Ming-Hua and Ghazan, not to mention other members of the Red Lotus that have yet to be revealed. Furthermore, stating that basically the whole world is Zaheer's enemy is ridiculous. We know for a fact that Zaheer has followers outside the red lotus (That prison guy from 310 calls Zaheer his hero) not to mention the willingness of the people of Ba Sing Se to follow his invitation of anarchy (meaning that they agreed with Zaheer that the power of the city should rest in the hands of the people). I honestly don't see a valid reason to delete the page. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 21:08, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

What meaningful relationship is that exactly? Beyond "he trusts them" I mean, because we don't know more than "thank you for freeing me", "it's good to see you", "I will do as Zaheer says". As for P'Li, we can say that she's his girlfriend and that "he never doubted they would see each other again". That's the extent of their relationship that we know. Not particularly notable -at least not to the point to warrant its own page as it is already sufficiently covered on their respective pages. The prison guy is not a notable relationship or even a follower: the guy was in prison. Anyone who would've let him out would've been his hero. Moment before, he was cheering on Bolin in hopes he would get him out and if Bolin had succeeded, Bolin would've been his hero. So it doesn't mean a thing. The people of Ba Sing Se are not necessarily willing to follow anarchy as a long term something: they were repressed, they hated Hou-Ting. That doesn't mean they believe in what Zaheer stands for. So that too is not a notable relationship. Those are all valid reasons to delete the page. I could as such very easily deflect that question and as you what your valid reasons are to support the page as the few examples you gave have effectively been refuted as circumstantial. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:35, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep —, for now. i think we should wait until the end of the season to do this. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 00:33, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — Lostris and PSU have summed it up nicely. This article is too short to be on its own and, honestly, if they're introducing any more characters who could be added to this page, it's just bad story-telling (and the likelihood of them doing so is negligible. What will waiting for the end of the season do? Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 00:43, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Delete Delete — This page does little good for us. Lucid☆Star 02:11, August 13, 2014 (UTC)


Slang in the World of Avatar Edit

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I was just reading through the Slang in the World of Avatar page, and i noticed a lot of the terms documented there aren't really slang. some are just "twists" on real world terms to tone down the language a bit, ("bite us in the blubber" instead of "bite us in the ass") and some, such as "yip yip" or "glow it up" just don't seem like they need to be noted on there as a commonly used slang term. that said, there are some legitimate culture-specific terms, like "hotman" that could warrant an explanation, however, after all the non-slang terms are actually removed from the page, there's no point in keeping it for just a few terms. i think those terms could be noted elsewhere, and the page should be deleted. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:33, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep — I think that it's an interesting page, and I think that the argument that it's a 'twist' on RL terms isn't relevant considering most things in the WoA are twists—the flora and fauna pages are a good example of this. That page works well as a list, and it notes some ways in which the slang has changed ('flameo', for instance). I see no reason to delete this page. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:44, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep — Per Fruipit. Don't think it needs to be deleted as much as just rewritten and cleaned up. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 05:47, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Keep Keep — We had the discussion years then, and I think that result is still relevant: Keep it. Per WS and Fruipit. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 23:16, August 13, 2014 (UTC)