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Approved proposals Edit

Ginger Edit

12-15-2013 Edit

;Current:
{{Quote||You're confusing Ginger the actress with Ginger the character... Ginger loves Nuktuk, not Bolin.|Ginger to [[Bolin]] about his attraction toward her.}}

;Proposed replacement #1:
{{Quote||I can't believe my boyfriend is a real life hero!|Ginger to [[Bolin]] in "[[Night of a Thousand Stars]]".}}
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This might be a stretch, but, I think the current is simply out of date as a result of Ginger ultimately changing her thoughts on Bolin, so, if we're going to focus on that, I propose this change. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 19:44, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I oppose. The proposed quote has no meaning since Ginger and Bolin are not a couple and Ginger only wants fame, going along with the couple thing to earn herself some money and/or fame. The current quote better displays who she is: an actress, both on screen, as on the side, as she has always been shown to be playing some kind of role to suit her own needs. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:39, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
While I don't like having this quote used as both the PQ and on a template, I have to agree that it is more representative of Ginger's character. I also feel like more context it needed for the proposed, whereas the current one doesn't need that. If you know what I mean. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 17:12, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Civil Wars, Part 2 Edit

12-17-2013 Edit

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{{Quote||I'm sorry, Korra. You'll never see your father again...|Unalaq to [[Korra]] in "[[Civil Wars, Part 2]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||But, I guess the nice part about a family is they'll always be there for you. Even though Twinkle Starchild and Princess Rainbow fight, they still love each other.|Ikki to Tenzin in "Civil Wars, Part 2".}}

;Proposed replacement #2
{{Quote||Remember who you are. As the Avatar, you cannot threaten war. You must remain neutral, or our tribes will never find unity.|Unalaq to Korra in "Civil Wars, Part 2".}}
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;Proposed replacement #3
{{Quote||I'm done being manipulated by you. You're going to bring my father back, then you and your troops will return to the North.|Korra to Unalaq.}}
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The current quote does not really encompass Tenzin's arch in the two episodes (or the actual civil war for that matter). The proposed quote displays Tenzin's realization in the importance of family (which also mirror's Korra's realization of this in the previous episode). This second quote displays the actual civil war aspect of the episode. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 02:29, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I would either support the current or PR2, the main focus of the episode was the Civil War, so PR1 does not make much sense to me. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 02:45, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the quote can be changed, but neither are appealing to me. While the first also depicts part of the storyline of that episode, the emphasis was on the brewing civil war, thus that one is out for me. The second on the other hand is about the civil war, but it is about how Korra should remain neutral when she did exactly the opposite in that episode, and as such is an ill-representation of what happened.

As such, perhaps proposal 3? It depicts Korra denouncing Unalaq ans foreshadows her later actions of busting her father and the rebels out of prison/boat holding cell and thus instigating the war. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:43, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with proposal 3 as well. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 08:33, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Cave of Two Lovers Edit

12-25-2013 Edit

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{{Quote||The lovers didn't want anyone to find out about their love, so they built a whole labyrinth!|[[Chong]] informing [[Sokka]] of the legend behind the Cave of Two Lovers.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||Love is brightest in the dark.|[[Katara]] to [[Aang]]}}
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I chose this quote because the cave of two lovers is a romantic place and how they know each other by using the crystal and, after that, the crystal went on and it is what is the cave of two lovers. AvatarMJC (wallcontribs) 09:52, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I disagree, since the proposed says nothing about the episode. While the current one perhaps isn't the best, it at least alludes to the fact that the team got stuck in a labyrinth and that it had something to do with love. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:48, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Lostris, the current, though not perfect, does nonetheless give a better representation of the episode than the proposed. HAMMEROFTHOR 21:19, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Unalaq Edit

01-03-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Harmonic Convergence is almost upon us. This is my opportunity to change the world.|Unalaq to Desna and Eska in "[[The Guide]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1:
{{Quote||You think what Avatar Wan did was good? Driving almost all the spirits from this world? The Avatar hasn't brought balance, only chaos. You call yourself the bridge between the worlds, but there shouldn't be a bridge. We should live together as one.|Unalaq to Korra in "Harmonic Convergence".}}
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Current quote is better than the previous, having myself suggested it, but I think that these excerpts do a better job. They show more precisely what Unalaq feels is wrong with the world, and in turn give a more profound insight to his motivation. It also displays how he thinks the perceived problem can be fixed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:16, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:14, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

I support the change per Omni's reasonings. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:16, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

I support the decision. A much better interpretation of his role. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 19:31, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Raava Edit

01-06-2014 Edit

;Current
{{Quote||Don't worry. We will be together for all of your lifetimes, and we will never give up.|Raava heralding the start of the Avatar Cycle to Wan upon his death.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||We will be together for all of your lifetimes, and we will never give up.|Raava heralding the start of the Avatar Cycle to [[Wan]] upon his death in "[[Beginnings, Part 2]]".}}
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;Proposed replacement #2
{{Quote||Vaatu cannot win. Do not give in to ten thousand years of darkness. You are the Avatar.|Raava encouraging [[Korra]] to keep on fighting in "[[Darkness Falls]]".}}
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I thought the words "Don't worry" were kind of unnecessary and it might confuse people as to what Raava is reassuring him. It also gives it a more general view instead of just to Wan. I also thought I would add the episode where it came from since it was given in the formatting exaple that there should be one. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 02:33, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion; however, please be sure you format your proposal properly next time - you were missing the {{/top}} and {{/bottom}} tags on each side of the proposal. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 02:40, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, I agree that the quote needs to be changed, but not to the proposal since it is now outdated with the fact that Raava bonded with Korra and Wan is "out of the picture" sort of speak. Problem is though, that it sort of leaves us with a very limited pool of suitable quotes for Raava. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:48, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

I support Proposal #2 because it references the main reason for Raava's existence, that is, to combat Vaatu and darkness as the Avatar Spirit. It also has a more universal application, as it describes both Korra's and Wan's interaction with Raava. Korra Sprite-01ZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 18:05, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #2, per Ziryerx. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:57, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

The Day of Black Sun, Part 1: The Invasion Edit

01-08-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||When this is finished, the Avatar will have defeated the Fire Lord. We will have control of the Fire Nation capital, and this war will be over!"|Hakoda to the invasion force.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||Today, is the day of black sun, and I want to thank you all for your self-sacrifice, and your courage.|Hakoda to the invasion force.}}
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While the current isn't bad, I feel it would better used as the quote for the Invasion of the Fire Nation. In addition to this, the proposed better embodies the fact that this episode is the first in a two part episode, as it sets up the invasion more than it claims the invasion's outcome. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 04:45, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I disagree. The current one quite accurately depicts what the entire point of the invasion was. Also, in the first part of the episode, the invasion was quite the success, which seems also be covered better by the current, more positive quote. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:15, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree per Lostris. The current quote states the point of the invasion and what it seems the outcome will be in this episode. This is Slash, mission complete! 23:31, January 8, 2014 (UTC)Suki SpriteIroh Sprite OWL Outfit

Senna Edit

01-23-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||We love you so much.|[[Senna]] to [[Korra]] in "[[Welcome to Republic City]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||I-I hate feeling so helpless.|[[Senna]] to [[Korra]] in "[[Civil Wars, Part 2]]".}}
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;Proposed replacement #2
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{{Quote||When your father and I found each other, all we wanted was to live a simple life and raise a family. But then we discovered you were the Avatar, and simple was over. We knew one day the world would need you, and you wouldn't need us any more.|[[Senna]] to [[Korra]] in "[[Civil Wars, Part 1]]".}}
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;Proposed replacement #3
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{{Quote||It breaks my heart to see our family being torn apart like this.|[[Senna]] to [[Korra]] in "[[Civil Wars, Part 1]]".}}
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I feel the current does not give anyone any insight to Senna's character. Sure Senna loves Korra, but it's pretty much a given that any Avatar parent who is not an antagonist loves their child. The proposed, while not perfect, gives better insight into Senna's personality, an shows how defeated she feels when situations get out of and and she is powerless to stop them.DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 00:06, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. However, I am not sure if I can quite agree with that reasoning, as by the same light, one could say that most anyone does not like feeling helpless. In addition, that really hasn't been shown to be a part of her character. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 00:13, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with PSU. what about using a quote from the episdoe Harmonic Convergence? Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 00:27, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing there particularly useful. The only other rather insightful quote about her, at least by Senna herself, is from the end of "Civil Wars, Part 1", which I've added. More about how she relates to being a parent to the Avatar. Might not need the last part, but I thought the whole thing could spark more discussion. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:35, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Nice choice omni - i say we use the full quote of number two. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 00:43, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

I added proposal 3, as I feel it better captures Senna's love for her family and how important it is to her, which is the defining characteristic that we know about her thus far. Also, it describes her true desire to keep everyone close together, which is not depicted by the other proposals. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 05:48, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

I feel that Proposal #2 is best. I best captures her role in the series. It's also the most she's been involved. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 01:46, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
I agree. I vote for Proposal #2. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 00:06, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #2 is in my mind, the only one that fits her right. The current one is accurate, but doesn't give much deep insight. Proposals 1 and 3 focus too much on her lower moments. Number 2 shows who she is and why she's that way. It's spot on. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 04:41, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Herbalist Edit

01-29-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||You're insane, aren't you?"<br />"That's right!|[[Aang]] and the herbalist in "[[The Blue Spirit]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1:
{{Quote||Wounded Earth Kingdom troops still come by now and again, brave boys, and thanks to my remedies they always leave in better shape they when they arrive.|The herbalist to Aang in "[[The Blue Spirit]]".}}
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The herbalists -even though she might be insane- isn't defined by her insanity. She's defined by being the last herbalist healer up in the herbalist center. As such, I feel like a quote detailing her healing side says more about her than the current one. After all, her medicinal skills were also the reason Aang visited her. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:02, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 12:43, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. We should use the quote to show who she is, rather than capture a humorous moment from the episode. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:18, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Pema Edit

02-02-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||We're so thankful you're home safe.|Pema to [[Korra]] during her recovery".}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||All I want is one child like me. A nice nonbender, who doesn't blast wind in my face every five seconds.|Pema to Katara in [[Welcome to Republic City]].}}
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;Proposed replacement #2
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{{Quote||The children, where are they?!|Pema to the [[Air Acolyte woman]] in [[Turning the Tides]].}}
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The current is a really throw away line that is pretty self explanatory; of course Pema is glad Korra is back home after being kidnapped by a crazy bloodbender. The proposed gives a better insight into her character; Pema, while she does love her children, resents the fact that they are all airbenders and hopes for one like her. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 14:21, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I don't agree. The proposed gives the impression that Pema dislikes her children for being airbenders while she is not. That is completely not who she is. Overall, she is defined as being a caring, loving mother. The current, while I admit it is a stupid sentence, at least somewhat captures her caring side, whereas the proposed makes her come off all hateful. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:30, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
Beyond what Lostris already said, this would be literally a step backwards. The current quote was changed precisely from that one, for similar reasons. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:36, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

per omni and lostris. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 19:39, February 2, 2014 (UTC)


I added a second option. The proposed at least gives us a better insight into her character as it shows how concerned she is of her children's safety. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 08:39, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Waterbending training Edit

02-02-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Waterbending is about harnessing the power of water, much like the tides of an ocean will do.|Korra in "[[Welcome to Republic City (game)|Welcome to Republic City]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||You're moving the water around, but you're not feeling the push and pull.|Pakku to Aang in "The Waterbending Master".}}
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Simply put, the current quote is very generic, and only vaguely hints at the most basic principle of waterbending. Proposed quote, while not as didactic as other bending art training article quotes, gives this notion better focus. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:08, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 19:27, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

I have to disagree - the proposed doesn't do a good job describing the "mindset" (for lack of a better word) needed for waterbending. It's just Pakku scolding aang for not feeling the push and pull, while the current actually describes what you have to do to waterbend. i don't think the proposed gives a better notion of waterbending. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 19:37, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

"Harnessing the power of water" is a supremely generic description of mindset. It does nothing to elucidate any mindset, attitude, or practice required to train waterbending. The "like the tides of an ocean" is the reason I listed it as vaguely hinting, whereas the proposed explicitly mentions the push and pull, which is the mindset of waterbending. Quote was even said when Pakku was training Aang, the very topic of the article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:05, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
I agree per Omni. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:42, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree with Intel4 on this. I don't think the proposal describes Waterbending as accurately as the current quote does. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 20:45, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

The page is not about waterbending, it's about waterbending training. "Harnessing the power of the tides" is not and has not ever been a principle that waterbenders follow. In its very essence, waterbending focuses on the redirection of energy as opposed to harnessing the sheer offensive potential of the element. The proposed, as has already been said, is a quote by a waterbending master and trainer making critique about a trainee's practice. "Push and pull" is a fundamental concept of waterbending training. It even has it's own section for that very reason. Highlighting that as the page's quote is far more appropriate than the current. Besides, why settle for a quote from a game when a show variant is available? Waterbending emblem Water Spout 21:09, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

True. A show quote would be better. But maybe there is another quote we could use. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 21:22, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Riley Edit

02-05-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Mmm... Talk about skills to pay the bills!|[[Sokka]], upon witnessing Riley's unique bending style.}}
;Proposed replacement #1:
{{Quote||And finally, there is Riley... er, a unique warrior what has mastered the secret art of bending... cookie dough!|Yahshi to [[Team Avatar]] on Riley's unique abilities.}}
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The proposed quote better presents Riley unique abilities, thus better representing his character as a whole. The proposed is also not filtered by Sokka's opinion of how great the bending ability is (which came as a result of his own bias of liking cookie dough). Lastly, the proposed give Riley's character slightly more dimension, as it characterizes him as both a bender and a warrior. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 16:13, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 16:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
I'll support this change, for the reasons given. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:23, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Kya (pilot) Edit

02-23-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||My brother and I are quickly learning that life with Aang is one adventure after another. But who knows, one of those adventures might even save the world.|Kya narrating.}}
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{{Quote||The Fire Nation will do anything to capture Aang before he masters all four elements. So, I must keep him safe until he is ready to fulfill his destiny. My brother thinks I'm crazy, but I believe Aang can save the world.|Kya narrating.}}
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I think that the current would work a lot better as the quote for the Unaired Pilot article. In addition, the proposed gives a better focus on Kya, as she believes it is her responsibility to care for Aang as he masters the elements. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 21:23, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 21:27, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
I agree. The proposal does represent "Kya"'s personality better. Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 21:50, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
I would agree as well. The current doesn't really say much about Kya, whereas the proposed gives some insight into her caring and hopeful nature. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:20, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
I also agree Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 23:34, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Mongke Edit

03-02-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||If you're surprised we're here, then the Dragon of the West has lost a few steps.|Colonel Mongke to [[Iroh]].}}
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{{Quote||Now show me your leader so I may... dethrone him!|Colonel Mongke to the people of [[Chin Village]].}}
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The current has more of a focus on Iroh and the Rough Rhinos as a whole then it actually does Mongke. As such, the proposed is a much more appropriate quote from the colonel, and is probably something he says before he raids any town or village. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 01:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 02:39, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. The current quote doesn't really say anything about Mongke, whereas the proposed reflects better his attitude and personality. HAMMEROFTHOR 12:03, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per HammerOfThor. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 04:15, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

I agree as well, although wasn't he speaking to the townspeople of Chin village, not the other rough rhinos? Also we should indicate somewhere that he smashed a statue in between saying that, otherwise the ellipse looks odd there. (or we could just remove it.) Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:45, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, you're right! I don't know why I would put the other Rough Rhinos in the proposal. I changed it now. But I'm not sure we should add the fact that a statue was destroyed in-between the quote, because I think it would disrupt the quote even more. I think keeping the ellipses is fine. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 01:01, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with this change. That first one does not show their attitude and personalities well. The second one does. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 22:46, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Bosco Edit

03-08-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||But now...''oooh!'' I wish Bosco were here!|[[Kuei]] to [[Katara]] during the [[Battle for Yu Dao]].}}
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{{Quote||Believe me, if there was any danger at all, Bosco's animal instincts would sense it.|[[Kuei]] to [[Aang]] proceeding the [[Coup of Ba Sing Se|fall of Ba Sing Se]].}}
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The current doesn't really say much about Bosco, more so how Kuei feels about his pet in difficult circumstances. The proposed gives a little more insight into Bosco's actual character and the gift he possesses (or at least the gift people seem to think he possesses). DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 02:41, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 03:02, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really think either quotes are good. Current doesn't really say nothing, and the proposal isn't really representative of Bosco's character, it's how Kuei mistakenly sees Bosco. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:10, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
i disagree with the proposal, the current is fine imo. bosco never really had any importance other than the role he played in kuei's life. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 06:54, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
I'm with Omni, I don't think either of the quotes are entirely appropriate. Given that, I would suggest removing the quote entirely. HAMMEROFTHOR 10:47, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


Actually i like that idea much better, if that's indeed an option. no quote would be best. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 18:41, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

I too support removing both quotes... JosephHawk | talk

The Rift Part One Edit

03-09-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Satoru, I would ''love'' to be in a partnership with you- I mean, the ''refinery''.|[[Toph Beifong|Toph]] to [[Satoru]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1:
{{Quote||Satoru's right. This place is the future. You really want to sacrifice the future for a stupid, backwards holiday?|[[Toph Beifong]] to [[Aang]] about the Earthen Fire Refinery and [[Yangchen's Festival]].}}
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The current quote has really nothing to do with the story. It was a stupid joke in the middle that carries no relevance for the plot. The proposed, however, captures the two big parts of the story: Yangchen's Festival and the Earthen Fire Refinery, as well as the conflict surrounding both things. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 00:17, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 01:15, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per Lostris. HAMMEROFTHOR 01:16, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Definitely more resembling of a rift taking place - much preferred over apparent ship bait. Support. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 01:55, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Support, per proposal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:32, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Desna and Eska Edit

05-14-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||You amuse me. I will make you mine.|Eska to [[Bolin]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||Those two have always creeped me out. They smell like a...grandma's attic.|[[Korra]] to [[Mako]].}}
;Proposed replacement #2
{{Quote||Whoa! Who are the lovely ladies?"<br />"That's Eska and Desna, the chief's children. Desna is a guy."<br/>"Oh no, sure, I knew that...ah...and which one is Desna?|[[Bolin]] and [[Korra]].}}
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{{Quote||It seems cousin Korra is under the impression we're saddened by our father's demise."<br />"But I will not miss him at all. In the end, he became a deplorable man."<br/>"Agreed. But how will we explain this to mother?|[[Desna and Eska]] discuss Unalaq's death.}}
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;Proposed replacement #4
{{Quote||We will never turn on our father.|[[Eska]] to [[Korra]].}}
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Proposal 3 will be the new infobox quote.

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The current quote is somewhat random and moreover has nothing to do with Desna, though even if it was for Eska alone, it would still not be the best quote for her character. I think the two that I have proposed better reflect their characters; in the first case sort of hinting at their peculiar demeanors, and in the second case at least it explains who they are. These were the only two I could think of off the top of my head, anyway; feel free to propose more alternatives if these are not to your liking.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 02:06, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. While the current quote is not ideal, I'm not sure if I can get behind either of the other two. They did have some evolution throughout the series beyond what we were introduced to, and even otherwise, PR1 is a bit subjective and even needlessly insulting in my opinion. PR2 is kind of just a generic quote that doesn't really say anything about their character beyond Bolin thinking that they were ladies.
On a side note, you don't need to carry the references over when adding proposals; this page doesn't need to host those, it's simply about the quotes. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 02:42, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

If character evolution is the issue, I hereby add proposal 3. It clearly shows them being past Unalaq's influence, while maintaining their awkwardness and nonchalantness. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:13, May 14, 2014 (UTC)


My issue with the third proposal is that it's a bit too event-specific; they aren't really talking about themselves, but reacting to a specific event. That quote only really reflects on them in a distant, indirect way, I feel. I've proposed a fourth quote that's more specific, but still descriptive; though, it is a bit ironic given that, in some small way they do turn on him. XD Not to mention emotionally, at the very end of the series, as P3 points out. This would be easier if they had separate pages (an issue I've revived on their talk page, fyi). There are a few other quotes I could propose, but I don't know what the ideal limit is for discussion, otherwise it might split the vote too much. Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 04:33, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal 3, per Omni. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:04, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal 3 for me as well. I'm not really sure what you mean by it being event-specific, and I would note regarding 4 that the very fact that they do eventually turn on Unalaq kind of goes against the quote being representative of them. HAMMEROFTHOR 00:18, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
They still don't turn on him in any meaningful way. They had a million opportunities and it wasn't until Bolin groveled to Eska that they let him and Mako go, so I don't consider it that significant. Their personalities still make them very loyal to their father, as confusing as their end comments make that seem. And by event-specific I mean they don't make a broad statement that can be applied out of context to their characters; it is tied to a specific event, namely the pacification of Unalaq/Vaatu. It seems sort of weird to use a quote about their reaction to another character's "death" as a lead quote. As I said above, it only reflects on their characters in a remote and very indirect way. It's like using a statement by Katarra about her mother's death as her lead quote; sure it has to do with her, but it has more to do with the specific event being described/reacted to than it does about Katarra herself. It's the same thing here.
Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 00:47, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't change the fact that really, per HoT, PR4 is contradictory. You're proposing their defining quote be that they will never turn on their father, yet in the end, they consider him despicable. As such, I too have to go with PR3; while it may be "weird", I think it fits them well, because you can almost see a lack of emotion within, which defines their personality, while also wrapping up their arc. Or, in summary, per Omnibender. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 00:52, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
Well, there are two other proposals. Proposals that are a lot more relevant than P3. I don't know how this turned into a P3 vs. P4 thing. There's still a P1 and P2. And no one's really been able to offer up any good reasons why neither of those work. Whereas I like to think that I gave a pretty detailed reason for why P3 shouldn't be used.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 01:22, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

All right (even though PSU already covered the reasons for voting against 1 or 2): Proposal one is a biased view on the twins. Apart from Korra's statement, there is no factual evidence at all for the truth behind it. It's a childish insult at their address by a person who, at that point, didn't like them at all, which also does not capture the general opinion of the populace -the opinions of (some) of the viewers of the show who find them creepy do not matter in this case, since that on itself is bias, something we try to avoid on this wiki.

Proposal 2: the last sentence of that quote is irrelevant. The first two sentences are -as PSU pointed out already- generically geared toward twins. All it says about Densa and Eska is that they look alike -which is a given (in most cases) since they're twins. That would be the same as making the quote on Zuko's profile to say "Who's Zuko?" "Oh, just some angry freak with a ponytail who's tracked us all over the world." People are not defined by their looks. As such, quotes should reflect the character when possible first and the physical appearances second and only in the case that there is no suitable -not even a remotely close one- possibility of having a personality-oriented quote.

Proposal 3: This one is the best of all the quotes as it shows the most insight in their personalities. It shows their vast emotionless state as they are completely unfazed by their fathers demise -and for those who have seen the series before visiting that page, it also signals their character development as it hints to a previously good and then bad relationship with their father. The sentence structure of the quote also very well reflects their usual, businesslike manner of speech. Also, since it is a joined page, it is nice to have a but of conversation between the two characters as their quote.

Proposal 4: this one falls short based on being factually incorrect since they did significantly turned on their father. If they would not have turned on Unalaq and freed Mako and Bolin, the two brothers wouldn't have been there to try to help Korra in battle, but more importantly, if Desna and Eska wouldn't have turned on their father, the dark spirits would've more than likely retrieved Korra's body preventing her from further fighting Dark Avatar Unalaq. As such, they indirectly were the cause of their father's demise. Also, the quote solely speaks about their father. Yes, they were devoted to him, but it does not reflect any other aspect of their personality, which proposal 3 does. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 01:37, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, I appreciate you taking the time to delve into it with more detail than the general overview given by PSU. However, all quotes of these sorts are "biased." They are all expressions of opinion. You claim that P4 is only about their devotion to their father, but P3 is only about their resentment towards him, so I don't see how it's any improvement, aside from demonstrating their use of grammar and syntax, which, while all very well and good, isn't as impactful as the meaning of the overall quote, which, in this case, is just a narrow as P3.
Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 01:45, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
You're the one trying to convince everyone else of another opinion, so perhaps you could give us your reasoning to support any other quote but proposal 3? Because so far, the reasoning of "hinting at their peculiar demeanors" for proposal one is very vagues and extremely biased. While you are correct that there is generally always a certain amount of bias present, there are clearly different amounts of bias that accompany a quote and this one is riddled with bias for all the reasons mentioned before. The "explanation of who they are" in the second quote is limited to "Eska is a girl, Desna is a guy". I'd hardly call that an explanation. You yourself already acknowledge that the third proposal reflects on them, albeit it "in a distant, indirect way". The only reasoning you've given for proposal 4 is "more specific, but still descriptive". However, that quote falls flat due to factual inaccuracy of it as given in the reasons above. So as such, you have no provided any sound reasoning for either supporting the quotes or denouncing the arguments given as opposition. As outlined, while proposal 3 is not perfect, it is by far the quote that has the most potential and reflects their personalities the best. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 01:58, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
I've given my reasoning already, otherwise you would not have been able to quote it. Now, to address you counterpoints: I wouldn't say factual accuracy is necessary in a quote, since it reflects on the speaker in that point of time, whether what they're saying in hindsight turns out to be true or not. It's still a vivid demonstration of their role throughout the season, despite their OOC actions at the very end, which wouldn't have been so shoddy and awkward if the writers were a little better at subtlety, and rushed their "defections" at the end for the sake of the audience, but that is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that Jinorra, not Desna and Eska, saved Korra, so I don't really think they actually thwarted their father in any way, so even though I don't think "factual" accuracy is an issue, I would be tempted to argue that it actually was an accurate statement.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 02:09, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
If you noticed, my quotes were all the reasoning that you gave -which isn't all that much, especially not given the fact that you denounced the same amount of reasoning when it was given against your quotes. It seems only fair that if you may ask for elaboration due to alleged "insufficient reasoning", so can others. Hence my question above.
"I wouldn't say factual accuracy is necessary in a quote". I'm sorry, but that is not the way this wiki works. Factual accuracy is something that is to be upheld anywhere on a page. Pages are written to be accurate to the most recent known time -which is why all characters for ALTA (unless confirmed to be alive) are written in the past tense, since they are reasonably assumed to be dead. So if a quote no longer reflect the character as they are up until the most recent time, then that quote falls short and needs to be replaced asap. Also, their actions at the end were not OOC. It's called "character development". It's rare in TLoK, I know that, but it does happen. That was an example of it.
Also, I think I explicitly said "indirectly", since they contributed to saving Korra. Jinora was the direct cause. All the people fighting off the dark spirits in the Spirit World were the indirect cause. So even though you may be tempted, that doesn't mean it is so as you already aimed your defense on something that was never said. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 02:19, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I thought you might say that. However, you have failed to notice that I said "no one's really been able to offer up any good reasons why neither of those work," whereas you said "perhaps you could give us your reasoning to support any other quote but proposal 3?" Thereby implying that I had offered no support, as opposed to insufficient support. Therein lies the distinction between what I did, and what you did. And you are also overlooking an even more important distinction: the difference between "fact" and "canon." An encyclopedia must, of course, be factual. But given that this site is an in-universe style reference, canon is what ultimately is being presented. What Eska said was a canonical statement, and therefore does not detract from the accuracy of the article, since she really said it. If we were going to put "Eska and Desna never betray their father" into the actual body of the text then I might be inclined to agree with you, but of course, it is a quote. The article is not what's inaccurate, but Eska, who, at the time, canonically believed that she and her brother would not betray Unalaq. As editors of a reference that presents canonical information, presenting the fact that Eska at some point in time held a firm belief in her own filial loyalty does not detract from the factual accuracy of the article.
And finally, and less importantly, character development is supposed to be gradual and believable, not drastic and inexplicable. That is why say they were acting OOC. But we aren't here to defend or deride the choices of the writers. What's done is done. And, as they were protecting Bolin and not Korra, I still don't think they had any effect on the outcome. Protecting her body or not, Unalaq would have corrupted Korra's spirit had it not been for the timely, overly convenient, "plot armor"-esque intervention by Jinorra, which was ongoing at around the same time that the twins showed up at the Tree of Time. But we're basically splitting hairs; it's all a matter of perspective.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 02:44, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
You're right: we didn't do the same. I went beyond nitpicking words and actually gave thought at what you could've meant if I found the used wording to be lacking, whereas you couldn't find any better argument and decided to write off your lack of decent reasoning on the lack of a proper question. So yes, I'm so sorry for not making it abundantly clear what was meant and spelling it out.
But since you're so fond of "distinctions": you are completely overlooking and/or ignoring how this wiki works. Since we're nitpicking, I can easily say that you are vastly incorrect by saying that I overlooked the distinction between canon and fact. In fact, I explained why something on this wiki is something deemed "factually incorrect" in a certain context, even though the statement on itself could be correct. It's called "factual interpretation". It's quite an important element if you want to have a sensible debate about something. But I'm going to do us both a favor and leave it at this. More than enough has been said already and this really isn't the place to have lengthy, irrelevant debates. This is solely about which quote is at the moment the best and with all the arguments given, proposal three easily outshines the others. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 02:54, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
If you say so; I laid out my disagreement to P3, you issued your counterargument, I issued my counter-counterargument, and you claim that my counter-counterargument is invalid on the basis of me not knowing the distinction between factual accuracy and factual interpretation (which, considering that you made a big stink about factual accuracy before, sounds like you're abandoning your original rationale, or at least its wording, since you are now emphasizing factual interpretation instead). So yes, I don't believe furthering this line of discussion will get us anywhere, so you are doing the wise, mature thing by leaving it alone. I know where you stand, and you know where I stand. And hopefully, though doubtfully (given that I am strangely outnumbered on this issue), the better of the two positions will come through in the end.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 03:11, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

I support proposal three, per everyone else. It certainly gives the most insight into the characters, which is the point of a quote. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 03:31, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal 3. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 04:57, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
same here - P3 Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 13:13, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Zuko Edit

06-10-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I used to think this scar marked me – the mark of the banished prince, cursed to chase the Avatar forever. But lately, I've realized I'm free to determine my own destiny, even if I'll never be free of my mark.|Zuko to [[Katara]].}}
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{{Quote||And if we don't want the world to destroy itself, then we need to replace it with an era of peace and kindness.|Zuko to [[Ozai]].}}
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This quote shows that Zuko after his banishment changed and wants to do some good for the world. Also this quote makes Zuko more loveable to whoever is reading it. ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 22:06, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I have a slight preference toward the current as it shows more of a turning point for Zuko, and the marker of his development and character as a whole; he realizes - even if briefly - he needs to go his own way in life, and he ultimately does as such. The proposal is just a statement of what he seeks, or at least sought, to do. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:15, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
Current quote, per PSUAvatar14. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:03, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Azula Edit

06-10-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Well what choice do I have? Trust is for fools! Fear is the only reliable way. Even you fear me.|Azula to [[Ursa]].}}
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{{Quote||But true power, the divine right to rule, is something you're born with.|Azula to [[Long Feng]].}}
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This quote is showing better the original nature of Azula as she is shelfish thirsty of power and smart enough to dethrone Long Feng. ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 22:06, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I disagree, however, as Azula was a person who relied on fear to get her way in life. She used it to control her friends and even believed her mother to fear her, and when none of this was the case, it broke her down. As a result, I vote to stay with the current as it is more defining of her; the proposal is moreso just a generic statement that anyone who loved their power could say. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:15, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
Disagree with proposal, per PSUAvatar14. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:03, June 11, 2014 (UTC)
Per KFB and Omni. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:59, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Iroh Edit

06-14-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop, and I'm going to play Pai Sho every day!|Iroh to [[Team Avatar]].}}
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{{Quote||Life happens wherever you are, whether you make it or not!|Iroh to [[Zuko]] in [[City of Walls and Secrets]].}}
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The current quote for Iroh is just... I don't know. I feel it does not truly capture his character as the wisdom-filled leader we know him as in ATLA. And while I don't think all of Iroh's quotes of wisdom really say anything about his character, I think this one truly does. Throughout the series, Iroh is never seen as someone who takes too much concern in the destination; more so the journey. In the Winter Solstice: Part One, for example, he'd rather spend time in a hot tub rather than help searching for the Avatar. Iroh is not one to gloom around even when situations are tough, and makes "life happen" wherever he his. In my opinion, the proposed quote is basically perfect for Iroh. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 22:00, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. While I see your point about the wisdom, at the same time, Iroh's relaxed demeanor was also a significant part of his character, and the current quote expresses this as well. I wouldn't be fully set against the proposal, but I think the other significant part of Iroh should also be considered. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:10, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
I'm relatively neutral with these two quotes, I almost want to suggest another, but I'm afraid I'll only split opinions, Iroh has many appropriate quotes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:19, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
Agree with the proposal, because it shows Iroh's "serious" side and we can tell is a wise and experiensed man. Also, besides Zuko it can be a REALLY GOOD advise for a reader too. ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 23:26, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
I have to disagree with the change. The proposed only gives one aspect of his personality—his wisdom—and while it was a big part of his character, it wasn't his defining feature. The current quote shows Iroh's wisdom through his own perceptiveness of change ("after I reconquer Ba Sing Se"), his openness to change (being that the reconquering Ba Sing Se ties in with his teashop—he has no intention of returning to the Fire Nation), and the dual nature of his life (playing Pai Sho, which, as everyone knows was an integral part to Iroh's character, being Grand Lotus, while also being just a simple game to relax and pass the time). In short, the current quote is more representative of Iroh, rather than just being a generic statement or line of wisdom. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 23:45, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
I also agree with the current quote. While they both sum up a good part of who Iroh is, the current one is more revealing, as it paints a better picture of the man seen in the series. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:30, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I also disagree with proposal one. How about something from his LOK appearances? i propose the quote he said about him leaving his body behind and living among the spirits. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 03:07, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Bumi Edit

06-21-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Look, uh, I'm sorry I didn't turn out to be an airbender like you hoped. But I've tried my best to keep the world safe. Hope I made you proud.|Bumi to a statue of his father.}}

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{{Quote||From now on, it's twenty-four-seven Bumi time!|Bumi to [[Tenzin]] in "[[The Southern Lights]]".}}

;Proposed replacement #2:
{{Quote||Looks like someone's trying to take your place as the Avatar's stick-in-the-mud mentor. |Bumi to [[Tenzin]] in "[[The Southern Lights]]".}}

;Proposed replacement #3:
{{Quote||Hah! Relax ... I'd pay money to see that. Maybe I'll tag along just to see "Vacation Tenzin".|Bumi to [[Tenzin]] in "[[The Southern Lights]]".}}

;Proposed replacement #4:
{{Quote||Come on! It'll be fun.|Bumi to [[Tenzin]] in "[[The Southern Lights]]".}}
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;Proposed replacement #5:
{{Quote||I've tried my best to keep the world safe. Hope I made you proud.|Bumi to a statue of his father.}}
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All four proposals are showing Bumi's character better as he is a powerful man who enjoys life and doesn't care about anything. The current quote is showning Bumi's character when he is facing tough psycological situations and he feels the need to express himself, but that doesn't happen all the time so I don't think the current quote suits on Bumi. On the other hand all the proposals show that he doesn't worrie about anything, his character, his possitive energy and his preference towards relaxation. Oh and before you argue with the proposals remember, when someone proposed a quote for Iroh showing his wisdom the proposal was rejected because it didn't expresed Iroh's character. ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 20:18, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I agree with the fact that the quote needs to be changed. Not for any of the reason you mentioned, but simply for the reason that with Book 3 the quote is outdated as he apparently developed airbending abilities. That said, none of the proposals, with the exception of maybe the fourth, are really suitable. So as such, I opt for either the fourth or to wait till the series actually airs and it is shown for everyone that he's now an airbender. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:29, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree with the proposals shown so far. I see how the current quote might be out of place in light of his new airbending skills, but that is easily fixable by dropping the first part and the "but" of the second sentence. Bending or no bending, everything Bumi is and has done so far relates to proving himself capable of keeping the world safe, and bending or no bending, that still applies to proving himself to his father. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:35, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

I added Omni's suggestion as an official fifth option. I can support that change for now as it would stay true to his character as well as being up to date. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:38, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

PR5 per Omni. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:42, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Waterbending training (2) Edit

06-21-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Waterbending is about harnessing the power of water, much like the tides of an ocean will do.|Korra in "[[Welcome to Republic City (game)|Welcome to Republic City]]".}}
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{{Quote||You're moving the water around, but you're not feeling the push and pull.|Pakku to Aang in "The Waterbending Master".}}
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Drop the current quote.
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I don't have much faith in this, as this didn't go forward when I suggested it in February, but here's to trying. Basically, the current quote does a terrible job describing what waterbending training is actually about, as it's only marginally related to the essence of waterbending. It also comes from an unconventional source. The proposal is a quote by Pakku, a waterbending master, and was said in the context of waterbending training and teaching, which does a much better job stressing what one must learn and feel to master waterbending, as the push and pull directly relates to the entire point of waterbending that is turning your opponents strength against them. If people still feel that proposal 1 is inadequate, I propose that the current quote should be removed from the article altogether. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:55, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I agree. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:59, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
Per Lady Lostris ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 00:26, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Kyoshi Edit

07-13-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Only justice will bring peace.|Kyoshi advising Aang.}}
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{{Quote||I created Kyoshi Island so my home could be safe from invaders.|Kyoshi while manifesting Aang.}}
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I think the proposed replacement better represents Kyoshi's personality that she's not the one to sit passively while invaders threaten to conquer her home. It puts her as a strong and proud woman. The proposed also provides insight into the origins to Kyoshi Island's upbringing.While the current quote is a good example nonetheless, I think the current is more focused as a general theme of the original series and advice to Aang, while the proposed directly illustrates Kyoshi's traits and behavior. ForeignLawyer (wallcontribs) 21:55, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion; however, please make sure your proposals are formatted correctly in the future, as per the example on the editing form. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:15, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
I support the proposal, it depicts Kyoshi well with her character which we know protective. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:48, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree; the proposed quote is too specific about one event. It doesn't really say anything about her character at all. One might say, she is protecting people. But I don't think that Kyoshi's primary aspect, or even a major aspect, was that she was protective. Kyoshi's primary attribute was that she took her duties very seriously as Avatar and rigidly enforced her concept of justice, which the current demonstrates nicely.
Besides, in general, I think it's better to have a quote that reflects a character's life philosophy, which is more central to who they are, than a general recollection on a specific event in their life, which isn't. A quote about an event can only directly reflect that event first, the character indirectly second; whereas a quote about a character can only directly reflect that character. Neither can do both. Anything that is otherwise suggested is indirect, less important, and therefore less obvious and overall less effective.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 20:56, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a preference for which quote to use, however, if the proposal goes through, then it should be worded "kyoshi, manifesting through aang". just a little grammar thing, but important nonetheless. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 02:52, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

I tend to think that the quotation selected should reflect the personality of the character in question. The current quote does that much better as it shows Kyoshi's attitude as to what achieves peaceful outcomes. The 888th Avatar (talk) 09:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Original Airbenders Edit

07-22-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||That is incredible! When do we get to fly around on our own sky bison like that?|Kai to Tenzin.}}
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{{Quote||I really wanted to be there, but it still took some to adjust and feel like I was a part of it all. These people are probably feeling the same way. You have to be patient.|[[Pema]] giving [[Tenzin]] advice on how to deal with the new [[airbending|airbenders]].}}
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The proposed better demonstrates the main idea of the episode. It's not about flying on sky bison. It's about Tenzin struggling and letting his impatience get in the way of properly training the new airbenders, and Pema's advice seems like it will ease the problem. --AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 12:27, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:07, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
Support per reasoning given. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:51, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Old Wounds Edit

07-22-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I know she has a problem with me, but she had no right to yell at Opal last night.|[[Suyin Beifong]] about [[Lin Beifong]].}}
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{{Quote||So once again, Su gets to do whatever she wants and there are no consequences.|[[Lin Beifong|Lin]] arguing [[Toph Beifong|Toph]]'s decision to not send [[Suyin Beifong|Suyin]] to prison.}}
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{{Quote||What are you two doing? You're sisters – why would you wanna hurt each other?|[[Opal]] after stopping her [[Suyin Beifong|mother]] and [[Lin Beifong|aunt]] from fighting.}}
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None of the proposed are perfect, but I think that they better demonstrate the "old wounds" as it were that have stuck with Lin, in particular, for 30 years. They more accurately show the bitterness between the two sisters (and I know that I added a third proposal, but I believe the second is more representative). Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 11:22, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:07, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
I vote for P2 Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 17:34, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
I support proposed replacement #1. Su being part of a gang, 'ruining [her] life' and getting off basically scott-free caused Lin to become so bitter and want nothing to do with her sister for such a long time. It left the Old Wounds, which Lin voices with frustration in that quote. Opal's quote has more shock and disbelief at the extent that has gone to, but I think the episode was a lot about acknowledging the causes and effects of the wounds. Only then might the problem be solved. --AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 17:01, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
I agree, AvatarTyler. If it wasn't clear in my proposal, I do think that proposed replacement #1 is the better option. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 12:27, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Pema (2) Edit

07-23-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||We're so thankful you're home safe.|Pema to [[Korra]] during her recovery.}}
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{{Quote||I remember when I moved out of my parents' house to become an Air Acolyte. That first night I was so scared and lonely ... I really wanted to be there, but it still took time for me to adjust and feel like I was a part of it all.|Pema to [[Tenzin]].}}
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Pema's current quote is generic and really says nothing about her character. The proposed displays Pema's true feelings towards being an Air Acolyte and her trials and tribulations while becoming one. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 05:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and I agree. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 05:15, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per reasoning given. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

P'Li Edit

07-23-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I thought I'd never see you again.|P'Li to [[Zaheer]] upon being freed by him and his companions.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||He's out, isn't he? Mmm, I'm feeling warmer already.|P'Li to [[Tonraq]].}}
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{{Quote||I've waited thirteen years to feel this warm.|P'Li.}}
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The current quote is really just a generic one anybody could expect following a long-awaited reunion for lovers. The first proposed more illustrates P'Li's villainous nature and her happiness to hear of the release of a companion despite the situation she was facing. If that doesn't work out, I have this second one to show her satisfaction at being out of prison and being able to use to be around her natural firebending once again. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 15:30, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I am more inclined to support Proposal 1, though I'd also be fine removing the quote altogether until we have something more appropriate. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 05:15, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Better is the proposal #2 Stella2013 14:51, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
None of these proposed are perfect, but to me, #1 reflects her character better than #2. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Mako Edit

08-01-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I did what I had to do to survive and protect my little brother.|Mako explaining his past to [[Korra]].}}
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{{Quote||I'm a cop. I don't have a backstory.|Mako to Bolin.}}
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I think we should change Mako's quote, because I feel like his identity as a cop is more important to his character than his past. In the latest book especially I think Mako makes it clear that he's a cop now and he seems to want to move on from his past. I'm not super attached to this quote (and I do think there are better ones that I couldn't find) but I 1) wanted to open the change discussion and 2) thought that it expressed the fact that Mako wants to no longer be the person he was before. Whereas the current is a direct referral to his past which is him defending his past actions despite the fact that he apparently now detests criminals.

Some flaws would be the obvious, wanting to move on does not equate having no backstory, it was somewhat important to his character, etc, which are definitely flaws the proposed has, I just was thinking that it does suit his character more since again, he seems to not want to be the person he was before. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 23:23, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I don't know, the proposal felt like more of just kind of smarmy comeback in response to Bolin drafting up fake backstories for the brothers instead of something more legitimate. I don't think that overpowers this more meaningful quote about his past. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 00:19, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
Per PSU, basically. While I do truly see your reasoning and even agree with it, that quote didn't strike me as being a true statement, but more like PSU said, a way to shut Bolin and his ridiculous backstories up. As such, my support remains with the current for now because even if Mako wants to break with his past, he still cares a lot for his brother. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:19, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Laghima Edit

08-04-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Instinct is a lie<br />Told by a fearful body<br />Hoping to be wrong.|An excerpt from one of Guru Laghima's poems.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||New growth cannot exist without first the destruction of the old.|A quote from Guru Laghima, which became a credo for [[Zaheer]] to act on (from "[[The Stakeout]]".}}
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{{Quote||Let go your earthly tether<br >Enter the void<br />Empty and become wind.|An excerpt from one of Guru Laghima's poems concerning the secret to weightlessness.}}
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Since Laghima will likely never make an appearance, we have no way of telling which quote was most telling for his personality and can only base ourselves on the quotes Zaheer uses. As such, I believe the proposed one holds more relevance to the plot of Book Three, as that destruction quote seems to be the credo for Zaheer to act on and pursue a new world order. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:14, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 17:37, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
Support. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 18:25, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
Opposed. Since it has so much to do with Zaheer, shouldn't it be, if anything, one of Zaheer's quotes? Or the quote for Book 3? Second, the one thing Laghima is known for is letting go of his attachment to the physical world and levitating for the rest of his life. As such, I think his quote about instinct being a lie told by a fearful body is more appropriate. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 01:29, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
I support the change, per LL's reasoning. I don't think it should be one of Zaheer's quotes as Zaheer has more than enough lines for us to find one that suits him. Laghima, I think, is now known as 'the guy with the reasoning behind whatever Zaheer is doing', not levitating. I didn't even remember that he did that. The second is less confusing and more applicable to the season than the first—and with them both being from Laghima, I don't see an issue with that. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 02:02, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Zaheer himself says that Laghima is best known for levitating for 40 years (I think that's how long he did it). What we think of him isn't as important as what people in-universe think. Even Tenzin had a memento of him; I sincerely doubt Tenzin honors Laghima for his proto-anarchist philosophy. Therefore, rather than narrowly binding him to the plot of the season, we should take a wider, more inclusive view of his character. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 02:43, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Zaheer never said "best know", he just said that "it is said that he unlocked the secret of weightlessness and became untethered from the earth". Afterwards, he even continues by saying that "Like all great children's tales, it contains truth within the myth" when the guard dismisses the story as a child's tale. As such, Zaheer neither confirms nor dismisses the theory, but just looks at the deeper meaning of it.

In general, I think it's save to say that Laghima is quite the enigma so far in terms of his personality. Yes, Tenzin has a memento of him and I agree with you 100% that Tenzin would not revere an anarchist philosophy. However, who is to say that being pro-anarchy wasn't Laghima's most defining trait and that Tenzin is just keeping that medallion as a reminder of how how an airbender can be as well -sort of like people keeping mementos of dictators or horrible facts that happened in a sense of "let's never forget". I'm not saying that is what happened, because that on itself is obvious speculation. However, it is just as plausible an explanation as the theory that Laghima is most known for his levitation. Fact is, no one knows what Laghima is most known for, or at least, it hasn't been shown clearly in the series -Zaheer has quoted both the pro-anarchist side as the levitation side- and as such, I came to my original reasoning for proposing a change of his quote. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:17, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I stand corrected, since I didn't rewatch the episode to hear Zaheer's exact words. Still, Laghima is an airbender and thus I think political philosophy is less important than feats of airbending. And again, why does Laghima have to tied to the plot of the season? Can't we highlight his own achievements rather than emphasize his connection to Zaheer, a man who lived 4,000 years after his time? Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 14:39, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
That's just it: we don't know what his own achievements were. Even Zaheer said that "it was said", meaning that no one knows if it even truly happened. The only thing that we do know for sure that was his achievement is that he relayed teachings and quotes that laster thousands of years, so it all just bottles down on personal preference in representation I guess, which, by definition is "each their own". There is no right or wrong representation here, as we don't know anything about him. As such, there is only what most people deem most relevant for whatever reason. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:00, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough; in the realm of "to each their own," therefore, I will remain opposed on the grounds that the current is a broader characterization of Laghima, whereas the proposed is less relevant and narrowly focused. P.S. Although we don't know for sure if the legend is correct, it is still an achievement that is attributed to Laghima, whether the in-universe historical record backs it up or not. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 15:46, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I added a second proposal which I believe acts as an appropriate middle ground. It is both an excerpt from one of his works (referencing him as an influential writer) and a representation of one of his achievements (since it concerns the secret to weightlessness). And even though it is early to speculate, the fact that an upcoming episode is named after one of the stanzas leads me to believe that it is just as important of a passage to Zaheer as either the current or the first proposal. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 17:30, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Support. Since it mentions wind and "earthly tethers," it clearly establishes his connection to the airbending traditions he helped to establish, just as the current does. Secondly, as you say, one of the upcoming episodes has something to do with this quote, so it ties into the season and Zaheer's agenda, just like proposal one. I think this is a good blend that addresses the concerns everyone has voiced. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 17:38, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really see how the second proposal is a middle ground, since that airbending quote is an excerpt from his works -like probably all his known quotes are- and it is a reference to how alleged achievement -just like his influence on the Red Lotus, who seem to follow all his teachings. We don't know the content of the episode bearing that name, so it's quite speculative to say that it therefor has more relevance. So for now I retain my support for the first proposal per all my reasons given before. Perhaps more relevant quote may come along when that episode airs and if that's the case, we can always change it again. Though for now, proposal 1 is the most fitting in my opinion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:12, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

The Stakeout Edit

08-15-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||We found something, too. It looks like he's gonna meet Zaheer at sundown at a place called Xai Bau's Grove. But I can't find it anywhere on the map.|[[Asami Sato|Asami]] to [[Mako]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||Once Aiwei knows we're onto him, we lose our advantage. I say we stake out his room and when he leaves for this meeting, we follow him.|[[Mako]] to [[Korra]].}}
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The current doesn't really say anything about the episode. The proposed, in contrast, summarizes the two main points of the episode; the stakeout of Aiwei by Team Avatar and Aiwei's meeting with Zaheer. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 00:36, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 00:45, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
While I disagree about the current not having to do with anything of the episode (it is, in fact, most of the plot), I will say that the proposal speaks more to the "stakeout" part of the episode than the current, and for that reason, I support it. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 23:51, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
agreed with proposal Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:05, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Tenzin Edit

08-15-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I am not a reflection of my father. I am Tenzin.|Tenzin finding his spiritual enlightenment.}}
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{{Quote||As long as I am breathing, it's not over.|Tenzin to [[Zaheer]].}}
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I think this quote shows Tenzin's deeper character besides his serious-one and the people can tell that he is a strong man physicaly and psycologicaly as he has shown in previous episodes. ZukoTheViper12007AvatarNo1Fan 21:18, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:09, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think this is a good fit. The current speaks very directly to Tenzin's character as a person, his internal conflict during the second season, and his resolution of that conflict and the establishment of his own identity and a reassertion of his self-confidence. The proposal, by contrast, is vague and only in the most indirect way does it yield any sort of commentary about Tenzin's character. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 23:49, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
disagree with proposal Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:06, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal Stella2013 (wall 20:58, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
I prefer Tenzin's original quote. We're comparing him finding his spiritual enlightenment, to him basically saying he won't quit. The former is more significant to his person. Lucid☆Star 21:00, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Daw Edit

08-20-2014 Edit

{{Quote||I don't want to be an airbender. Please, you are the Avatar, make it stop.|Daw to [[Avatar]] [[Korra]] after discovering his newfound powers.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
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{{Quote||Without my shaved head, I never could have dodged that net. I really felt it coming at me. You guys should totally get shaved.|Daw to his fellow airbenders in "[[Original Airbenders]]".}}
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Coinciding with his new profile picture, the proposed, while not perfect, expresses Daw's acceptance of airbending/Air Nomad culture. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 06:07, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion, and I definitely agree. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 06:14, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
I agree as well. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 13:53, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Venom of the Red Lotus Edit

08-24-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||The Air Nation will reclaim its nomadic roots and roam the earth. But unlike our ancestors we will serve people of all nations, working where there is corruption and discord to restore balance and peace.|[[Tenzin]] announces the Air Nation's new position as ambassadors of peace during [[Jinora]]'s anointment as a master [[Airbending|airbender]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||Now! Destroy the Avatar!|[[Zaheer]] orders [[Ghazan]] and [[Ming-Hua]] to kill [[Korra]] while she is in the [[Avatar#Avatar State|Avatar State]].}}
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In short, I feel like the proposal captures much better what the episode was about and not the conclusion that solely affects the Air Nation. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:19, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:23, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
I agree. It also has the advantage of being a lot shorter, too. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 21:39, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
I agree as well. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 12:26, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

P'Li (2) Edit

08-25-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||He's out, isn't he? Mmm, I'm feeling warmer already.|P'Li to [[Tonraq]] after learning of [[Zaheer]]'s escape.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||Years apart only made my love for you stronger. And deep down I knew you would find a way to get me out. Just like you saved me from becoming that warlord's killing machine when I was a girl. You've shown me what true freedom means.|P'li to [[Zaheer]] in "[[Enter the Void]]".}}
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The current doesn't really say anything about P'Li's character. The proposed, in contrast, embodies the sole fact we know about P'li's past (almost being used as a warlord's killing machine) as well as her relationship with Zaheer. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 10:04, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I agree. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:49, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I agree as well. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 13:59, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Order of the White Lotus Edit

08-25-2014 Edit

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{{quote||I see you favor the white lotus gambit. Not many still cling to the ancient ways."<br />"Those who do can always find a friend."<br />"Then let us play."<br />"Welcome, brother. The White Lotus opens wide to those who know her secrets.|[[Fung]] and [[Iroh]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||We're all part of the same ancient secret society. A group that transcends the divisions of the four nations."<br />"The Order of the White Lotus."<br />"That's the one."<br />"The White Lotus has always been about philosophy and beauty and truth.|[[Piandao]], [[Zuko]], [[Bumi]] and [[Jeong Jeong]] discuss the secret organization.}}
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{{Quote||We're all part of the same ancient secret society. A group that transcends the divisions of the four nations."<br />"The White Lotus has always been about philosophy and beauty and truth.|[[Piandao]] and [[Jeong Jeong]] discuss the secret organization.}}
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While the current does demonstrates the mysteriousness of the Order of the White Lotus, it doesn't really say anything about what they actually are, or the purpose. The proposed, in contrast, displays what the organization is (a group that transcends the nations) as well as their ideology/purpose (philosophy, beauty, and truth). DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 20:54, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:57, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I like the proposed, but it is too long, with too much stuff in between. I've added a third proposal that basically just removes those two middle lines. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 06:28, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

I support Fruipit's proposal for given reasons. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 09:53, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
Just a grammar nitpick, if we're going to be shortening the quote, we have to use an elipsis (...) in place of the part we cut out. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 12:05, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
It's spoken by two different speakers, so I didn't see the need to include an ellipsis outside the actual lines. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 12:08, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Fisherman Edit

08-26-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||The Avatar disappeared for a hundred years. You turned your back on the world!|The fisherman to [[Aang]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||And if you weren't here now, well, I guess I wouldn't be either. Thank you for saving my life, Avatar.|The fisherman to [[Aang]].}}
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By the end of the episode, the Fisherman no longer feels resentment towards Aang for "abandoning" the world. He, in fact, thanks him for saving his life. His profile quote should reflect that. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 05:48, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:50, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Per DrDman. Support. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 10:59, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Korra Edit

08-28-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Well, I got news for you. You need me, but I don't need you. I'm the Avatar.|Korra to [[Tarrlok]] in "[[When Extremes Meet]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||I'm the Avatar! You gotta deal with it!|Korra to [[Order of the White Lotus]] in "[[Welcome to Republic City]]".}}
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{{Quote||The world has been out of balance for far too long: it needs the Air Nation back again. I can't let Zaheer destroy it and everyone we love. Help me save the airbenders, then you can worry about saving me.|Korra to [[Team Avatar (Korra)|Team Avatar]] in "[[Enter the Void]]".}}
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;Proposed replacement #3
{{Quote||The world has been out of balance for far too long: it needs the Air Nation back again... Help me save the airbenders, then you can worry about saving me.|Korra to [[Team Avatar (Korra)|Team Avatar]] in "[[Enter the Void]]".}}
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Hello, I want to change Korra's quote at the top of her page to her introductory quote because it sounds better. The current quote she gives about not needing Tarrlok doesn't seem right, as the Avatar, like anyone else, will always need help sometimes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aggression25 (wallcontribs) 06:56, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 07:00, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
I agree that the quote needs changed, but i'm not sure the proposed is the right one for the job. i think the current quote is no longer relevant because korra has shown time and time again that she relies on her friends a lot... so a quote saying she doesn't need anyone doesn't fit, i think. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 12:08, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

I added a second proposal. The big downside of it is that it is rather time-specific by her mention of Zaheer. However, it does highlight her selflessness as the Avatar, her role in the world, her more mature attitude overall, and her reliance on her friends to help her do things. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:13, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Per LL. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 10:10, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
To avoid the time dependency thing with zaheer, what if we just cut that sentence out? like this: "The world has been out of balance for far too long: it needs the Air Nation back again... Help me save the airbenders, then you can worry about saving me." Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 02:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
The mention of Zaheer is quite crucial to make the quote make sense, otherwise it could just as easily be a generic statement where Korra asks for help to rebuild a temple or something. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think so: it says "help me save the airbenders", so we know that they are in trouble. we just don't know from what, which removes the time dependency thing. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 18:42, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

I added my suggestion as another proposal. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 15:16, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

anyone like the suggestion? it removes the time dependency and still makes sense. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 13:09, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Per my previous opposition to the removal: no, it does not make sense, though since I care little to have to endlessly repeat myself, I'm just going to leave it at that. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:12, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hou-Ting Edit

10-01-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||What's the Earth Queen like? I've never met her, but I've heard she can be quite ... demanding|[[Korra]] and [[Tenzin]] in "[[The Earth Queen]]".}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||You wouldn't dare attack a queen! |Hou-Ting to [[Zaheer]] in "Long Live the Queen"}}
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The current speaks to Hou-Ting's demanding personality, but it doesn't say much about her as a person. The proposed, on the other hand, is not only spoken by her, but also points out a flaw in her character: her arrogance in the god-like status being Queen supposedly affords her. She thinks that because she's the Queen of the Earth Kingdom, people will bend to her every whim or step aside. Because of this, the proposed is a much better profile quote for Hou-Ting. Gaang112 (wallcontribs) 02:28, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I disagree. I think the current more accurately describes who she is; many queens and rulers don't think that anyone would dare attack them. It isn't something unique only to her. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 02:33, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

The Terror Within Edit

10-02-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||They've got Korra!| Bolin screaming after witnessing the abduction of Korra.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||You have no idea what is coming for you, Avatar.|Aiwei to Korra}}
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I think that "They've got Korra" is not an important quote, it's only a scream. But the replacement is better ,because it came after long conversation and it's the result of the episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkamind (wallcontribs) 13:59, October 2, 2014‎

Approved for discussion. Please remember to post this under the 'current requests' to be accepted, instead of 'approved'. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 23:31, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
The proposed quote is indeed what is the result of this episode, but it is not what this episode was about and as such, I disagree with the change. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:24, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Anarchy in the Earth Kingdom Edit

10-03-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||The whole city is falling to pieces.|[[Mako]] on the anarchy in [[Ba Sing Se]].}}
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{{Quote||Once again, the Earth Queen's reign has come to an abrupt and violent end. Ba Sing Se has descended into chaos. Rioters and looters have overrun the palace.|Radio spokesman on the anarchy in [[Ba Sing Se]] in "[[The Ultimatum]]".}}
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Credit for the quote goes to Mugiwara1994 who changed it on the page, though that edit was undone due to lack of consensus. That said, I do agree with the need for change in regards to the quote. The proposed quote encompasses both the reasons and the consequences of the anarchy of the Earth Kingdom, which makes it an excellent quote for that page in my opinion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:15, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:21, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. The current quote is too general and doesn't really add anything to the title. The title is even more informative since the quote only talks about Ba Sing Se. --Bahjy1 Message Wall Blog 07:19, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Korra Alone Edit

10-11-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Korra, I know you feel alone right now. But you're not the first Avatar who's had to overcome great suffering. Can youu imagine how much pain Aang felt when he found out that his entire culture was taken from him? |[[Katara]] to [[Korra]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||The mind can be a powerful ally, or your greatest enemy.|[[Katara]] to [[Korra]].}}
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{{Quote||For years, people have been saying they can help me get better. Nothing's worked. I need to figure this out on my own.|[[Korra]] declining the help of the spirits.}}
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Ok I want this change for some basic reasons. The current quote is mostly about Aang who is only brought up here and once more later in the episode. The quote largely focusses on Aang's struggle. The episode however is aobut Korra coping with her mental and physical state after her battle with Zaheer, particularly her mental state. The proposed quote addresses Korra's struggles to recover her mental strength back, whereas the current does not. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 00:35, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 00:38, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
I like the proposed. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:56, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Since the episode indeed focuses on Korra's recovery and the journey she undertakes alone, I added another quote as I feel it better represents what has been going own. It alludes to the time she has been trying to get better, to the people that have been trying to help her, all for nothing, and then highlights her eventual decision to try to sort things out by herself, which is also the episode title, "Korra Alone". Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:47, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hm ok yea agreed that quote is better. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 06:33, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
I like the one where Korra talks to the spirits (btw, I renamed them 1 and 2 as opposed to 1 and 1 for clarity). I think it's a good representation of what Korra is going through, and that she wants to face it alone. Airbending emblem AvatarAang7Aang Cosmic 20:32, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Wu Edit

10-11-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I'm Prince Wu, future king.|Prince Wu introducing himself to [[Asami Sato|Asami]].}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||Don't let my reputation intimidate you. I'm still human just like everyone else. Only more human, like, extra human, or, hmm, ''super human''.|Prince Wu to [[Asami Sato|Asami]].}}
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The current quote doesn't really show anything that can't be easily indicated from the article, and is hardly representative of Wu's overall personality. The proposed quote follows a similar idea to it, but goes a step further by also showcasing his egotistical nature. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me!) 04:54, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:56, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
I agree that it does need to be changed, but maybe we can wait until the next episode? Idk the proposed is better than the current but I still feel like we can find an even better one. I support the change but I think that we may get an even better quote next friday since the episode is about him. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 06:35, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Kuvira Edit

10-17-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Pledge your loyalty to me, and I'll give you a new purpose in your lives.|Kuvira to some bandits.}}
;Proposed replacement #1
{{Quote||One thing you should know about me is that I always get what I want.|Kuvira to Prince [[Wu]]}}
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I think this should be Kuvira's new quote as she herself is defining how she is. Tono555 Aang Sprite Season 3 (wall-my contributions) 18:45, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:11, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
Support. Much better at defining the character's personality, her motivations, etc. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 21:47, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Rejected proposals Edit

This proposal has been rejected, because the quote says nothing about Iroh's character. It's merely a generic "wisdom"-quote..

Iroh Edit

01-03-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop, and I'm going to play Pai Sho every day!|Iroh to [[Team Avatar]] in "[[Sozin's Comet, Part 2: The Old Masters]]".}}
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{{Quote||Sometimes the best way to solve your own problems is to help someone else.|Iroh to [[Korra]] in [[A New Spiritual Age]].}}

I feel this is a good replacement because throughout Avatar: The Last Airbender Iroh helped Team Avatar, mostly Zuko, while dealing with his own problems. Hgabir (wallcontribs) 21:24, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

This proposal has been rejected, because no reasoning was given for the proposal..

Azula Edit

06-10-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||Well what choice do I have? Trust is for fools! Fear is the only reliable way. Even you fear me.|Azula to [[Ursa]].}}
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{{Quote||But true power, the divine right to rule, is something you're born with.|Azula to [[Long Feng]].}}
This proposal has been rejected, because no reasoning was given for the proposal..

Zuko Edit

06-10-2014 Edit

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{{Quote||I used to think this scar marked me – the mark of the banished prince, cursed to chase the Avatar forever. But lately, I've realized I'm free to determine my own destiny, even if I'll never be free of my mark.|Zuko to [[Katara]].}}
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{{Quote||And if we don't want the world to destroy itself, then we need to replace it with an era of peace and kindness.|Zuko to [[Ozai]].}}