Profile image change

Profile quote change

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Contents 1 Procedures 2 Current proposals 3 Rejected proposals 4 Approved proposals 4.1 Combustion Man on a Train 4.2 "Don't Blow It!" 4.3 Tom-Tom 4.4 Mai's father 4.5 Shinu 4.6 Iroh (United Forces general) 4.7 Zuko 4.8 Fire Nation engineers 4.9 Suki 4.10 Jinzuk and Rina 4.11 Out of the Past 4.12 Tahn 4.13 Metalbending Police Force Shortcut: AW:PQC

Changing the profile quote (the colored box at the top of a large majority of articles) is something people can often debate about in the comments on Avatar Wiki. For that reason, Avatar Wiki centralizes these changes on this page.

Procedures Edit

1. The proposer posts their suggestion(s) here. The proposer must support their suggestion(s) with a sensible reason for replacement ("it is an accurate representation of the character/his or her role in the series").
2. An administrator will announce the proposal on the community corner (this can be found below Hot Spots on Special:WikiActivity) if it is believed a grounded reason to initiate the quote change process has been given in the original proposal.
3. Discussion about the proposal can begin. If a discussion ensues and:
   1. no general consensus appears to develop between involved users, then a ballot will be placed forward;
   2. the people involved are all in agreement, and after three days no one else voice their objections, then the quote can be replaced without voting.
4. If #3 does not apply and, after three days, no one replies, then the quote can be replaced without discussion or voting.

Current proposals Edit

Rejected proposals Edit

Approved proposals Edit

Combustion Man on a Train Edit

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Current

"OOOOOH! I wonder what that's for..and that! and that!" — Sokka admiring the train's car.

Proposed replacement #1

"He must have seen us at the station and followed us onto the train!" — Sokka to Aang after taking notice of Combustion Man's presence.

The current doesn't really say anything about the comic, just Sokka taking a look at the interior of the Fire Nation train. While the proposed isn't perfect, I think at the very least it gives us more detail about the plot, that CM has tracked Aang and Sokka down to the train. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 13:51, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. And I agree. KettleMeetPot • wall 13:55, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Definitely. Quotes are meant to capture the essence of their subject, which is only done by the proposed in this case. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 13:57, May 18, 2013 (UTC).

Support. I'm not really good at adding quotes but I just didn't want to publish an article without a quote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unnamed Airbender (wall • contribs) 14:00, May 18, 2013‎

If you don't know a good quote, it's better to publish without. Adding a quote can be done instantly, changing a quote needs to go through this process and takes at least three days. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 14:48, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Full support. Better implies the episode well. (I receive an Edit Conflict --") AcerEvan ( Contributions · Fanonbenders · ) 14:49, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

"Don't Blow It!" Edit

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Current

"Aang, it's time to get up! Breakfast is ready!" — Katara to Aang.

Proposed replacement #1

"A little case of the sniffles, huh?" — Sokka sarcastically rebutting Aang's claim after the Avatar's colossal sneeze.

The current quote says nothing about the plot of the comic, being that Aang refuses help for his cold that will get the gang into trouble. The proposed reveals more about the comic's plot — Sokka is telling Aang in the quote that Aang's sickness is more than a regular cold, while also showing that Aang had denied having a bad cold earlier in the comic. Krazykid51 21:39, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I agree. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 21:44, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed per reasoning given in the proposal. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:56, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Support per everyone else. Chakra Sandwich 22:56, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I thought that quotes in comic book articles aren't needed.(According to the Ultimate W. undid). Unnamed Airbender (Message Me · Read my fanon) 00:04, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Episode pages have quotes, so why not comics as well? As long as a meaningful quote can be found, that is. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 00:06, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Support. The current quote doesn't imply the whole comic book. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Fanonbenders · ) 00:07, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Tom-Tom Edit

Current

"Does that look like the face of a killer to you?" — Katara to Yung about Tom-Tom in "Return to Omashu".

Proposed replacement #1

"I missed you so much!" — Tom-Tom to Mai in "Rebound".

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The proposed quote is a sentence actually said by Tom-Tom and it conveys how much he cares about his sister, revealing more about his character than the current quote does. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 21:29, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:35, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Full support. I also thought about proposing to change Tom-Tom's quote, but LL was (as always) quicker than me. :D DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 22:06, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Support per everyone else. Chakra Sandwich 04:05, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mai's father Edit

Current

"So, the resistance has kidnapped my son. Everything so clever, so tricky! Just like their King Bumi." — Mai's father on the kidnapping of his son in "Return to Omashu".

Proposed replacement #1

"We'll return the Fire Nation to greatness by returning Fire Lord Ozai to his throne." — Mai's father to Mai at a New Ozai Society meeting in "Rebound".

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The current quote clearly doesn't represent Mai's father more stern and hard personality as was revealed in Rebound. The proposed on the other hand does reflect that harder side of him and explicitly proclaims his loyalty to Ozai -which also reveals a lot about his character. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 21:29, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:35, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Support per LL. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 22:06, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Support per Madame Lostris. Chakra Sandwich 04:05, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Shinu Edit

Current

"Absolutely not. The Yuyan Archers stay here. Your request is denied, Commander Zhao." — Shinu to Zhao in "The Blue Spirit".

Proposed replacement #1

"[The search for the Avatar] is nothing but a vanity project! We're fighting a real war here, and I need every man I've got, commander." — Shinu to Zhao in "The Blue Spirit".

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The current quote is rather out-of-context if you don't know what Zhao wants, while the proposal tells us more about Shinu's personality: his position as hard-bitten veteran and his views on the war and the Avatar. It should be noted that Shinu firmly believed in conventional warfare; he was against Zhao's search for the Avatar, and he proposed sending more troops into the Earth Kingdom instead of burning it down. The proposal includes this belief as well. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 17:09, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 09:21, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I support per DFT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TechFilmer (wall • contribs) 22:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Iroh (United Forces general) Edit

Current

"Tell her we will be arriving in three days' time and that I look forward to winning back Republic City, together." — Iroh relaying a message to Korra in "Turning the Tides".

Proposed replacement #1

"Hmm... My grandfather would respect the Avatar's instinct. So will I." — Iroh to Korra while debating over War Plans.

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Proposed replacement #2

"Hmm... My grandfather[, Zuko] would respect the Avatar's instinct. So will I." — Iroh to Korra while debating over War Plans.

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The current says nothing about him. When we picked it we had one quote to choose from. Now we have 2 more episodes of quotes to pick from. This quote describes him better. While it is not perfect, it is much better IMO. Tech Addict, Fan-Fiction Writer, and Aspiring Filmaker 13:29, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.

I disagree. The current quote shows his position and dedication as the General of the United Forces, whereas the proposed quote says nothing about him at all. It hints that the general of the UF's mighty fleets needs his grandfather to make decisions for him. Furthermore, it only makes sense in context that everyone knows that Zuko is his grandfather. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 14:08, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree as well for all of Lostris's reasons, because the second one doesn't sound right unless you know who is grandpa is. Chakra Sandwich 06:39, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

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As it has been stated that you need to know who Iroh's grandpa I have updated the quote now. Tech Addict, Fan-Fiction Writer, and Aspiring Filmaker 13:07, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Now you've just changed the quote to something, making it look somewhat ugly and distorted. The current one still outshines either of the proposed for all the reasons previously mentioned. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 13:12, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Zuko Edit

Current

"I used to think this scar marked me - the mark of the banished prince, cursed to chase the Avatar forever. But lately, I've realized I'm free to determine my own destiny, even if I'll never be free of my mark." — Zuko to Katara in "The Crossroads of Destiny".

Proposed replacement #1

""My name is Zuko, son of Ursa and Fire Lord Ozai. Prince of the Fire Nation and heir to the throne." — Zuko revealing his identity to Earth Kingdom citizens in "Zuko Alone".

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For Zuko, his quote is far too specific for his character. It needs to be broader. The quote I propose is from Zuko Alone. In this quote Zuko is proud of his identity, but there is more to it than that. He is proud of who he is, but not because of his family or his royal name. But instead because he is beginning to realize he must create his own identity, shape his own destiny. Before he says this he has a flashback to his mother telling him to never forget who he is, no matter how things seem to change. She is not telling him to remember his place, that he should rule the Fire Nation as his father did, but instead remember that he is different from his family. In his childhood he showed compassion and mercy, example being when he spoke out to defend the new recruits of the Fire Nation, what caused him to receive his scar. This quote is Zuko accepting where he comes from, but also realizing that it doesn't mean he needs to be the same as his father. After he says this quote he offers the earth kingdom boy the knife iroh gave to him because he feels a connection with the boy, and i think, because he feels partly responsible for his brother being captured in the war. Do you think Ozai or Azula would have done this, of course not. Zuko stands alone in this moment. It his defining moment of becoming independent of his family. And there is no better quote to represent a person than when they declare their identity with confidence and courage.

I know it is short and is pretty obvious, but anyone who know avatar will know its significance when they remember Zuko standing in that Earth Kingdom village declaring his identity with honor and pride. -Eigne85

Approved for discussion.

I oppose. The current one captures his character and his struggle way better than a very generic quote that might even not be true after The Search is concluded with Ikem and all. Also, the value of the proposed quote lies in the fact that people would know the exact circumstances of why Zuko precisely said that quote -which not everyone knows. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 02:40, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

I also oppose - it's a good analysis of the quote, but really, it doesn't say much of anything by itself. The current is a good marker of his struggle - just the powerful symbolism the scar represents of his personal war overall. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 02:43, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

I oppose as well, firstly because (as Lostris said) he may not even be Ozai's son. Secondly, because he was banished for a few years, meaning he wasn't the heir to the throne and that's how we know him best, as the banished prince. And we also like keeping up with the newest information possible, and currently, Zuko is the Fire Lord, so saying he is heir to the throne is not current. The current shows all sides of Zuko and what he actually feels. There's no problem with the quote being specific. Chakra Sandwich 02:48, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Nation engineers Edit

Current

"Hey, I'm Qin Lee. I work up in communications." "Oh, hi. I work down in the engine room. That's probably why we never met before. Big airship, you know?" — A communications worker and an engineer engaging in an awkward conversation in "Sozin's Comet, Part 3: Into the Inferno".

Proposed replacement #1

"I figure a machine this big needs engineers to run it. And when something breaks..." "They come to fix it!" — Sokka and Katara discussing the duties of the Fire Nation engineers in "The Drill".

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The current quote is focused rather pointedly on that single engineer seen in the series, as opposed to Fire Nation engineers as a whole; and while the engineer does briefly mention his work, the current, I feel, is more elaborate in its description of the duties of the engineers. Additionally, the current quote has a lot of excess detail/lines from the conversation that really do not pertain to the subject matter. The Ultimate Waterbender 18:48, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 18:49, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change, as I agree with Ultimate's reasons. --AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 19:24, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Support per above. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 22:50, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I support the current quote. I think its better to have the quote be by the person, or a member of the group that are being represented. Also i think that scene was hilarious! -Eigne85

-nods- Of course it's always preferable to have a quote personally stated by the subject of the article or member of said subject. However, the primary goal of the main quote is to accurately and specifically state the role, character and/or importance of the subject matter. If a quote stated by an outside source best serves that purpose, it's preferable to use that then. And in this case, when there aren't many quotes to choose from, that principle only further applies. The Ultimate Waterbender 23:14, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Suki Edit

Current

"I am a warrior, but I'm a girl too." — Suki to Sokka after she kissed him in "The Warriors of Kyoshi".

Proposed replacement #1

"I'm an elite warrior who's trained for many years in the art of stealth. I think I could get you backstage." — Suki agreeing to help Sokka in "The Ember Island Players".

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There is nothing really wrong with the current quote, though perhaps we can do better. The proposed quote emphasized more her skill as a warrior -which is the biggest role we know her in- while, by included the backstage part, still giving a wink to her helpful side. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 22:41, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The Ultimate Waterbender 22:47, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I like the proposed, but could it do without the "I think I could get you backstage" part? I think it's just a bit unnecessary and not really relevant, since you would need to have known the context and the episode etc. Chakra Sandwich 23:04, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I like the current, it shows her warrior side as well has her feminine side. Chakras, that part is needed otherwise it give the impression that Suki is only warrior no fun. Tech Addict, Fan-Fiction Writer, and Aspiring Filmaker 23:56, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes but just by reading it, you can't really tell she's being "fun", and if you didn't know the context that Sokka asked her to get her backstage, there wouldn't really be any way to tell that it was a light-hearted joke. Chakra Sandwich 00:06, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

We could perhaps fix that by adding as the quote explanation "Suki jokingly agreeing ..." (or something in that nature). Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 00:09, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, I can live with that.Chakra Sandwich 06:17, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer the current. The proposed doesn't make much sense out of context, and the "elite warrior" thing sounds OOC without the other part, which doesn't make much sense out of context. And, if that part is removed but the "jokingly agreeing" part is put instead, it sounds kind of odd to have her say "I am an elite warrior who has..." as a way of agreeing to help somebody. I don't know, i just feel like the current is simpler, and it gives a general idea about Suki's role in the series. Truly Ferret 06:52, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Jinzuk and Rina Edit

Current

"I love you, Ursa. You know that, don't you?" — Rina to Ursa before Ozai's proposal.

Proposed replacement #1

"You have lovely parents." "They have always been good to me." — Ozai and Ursa about Jinzuk and Rina in The Search Part 1.

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Since the page is (for now) a combined page, I figure it only stands to reason that the quote refers to both parents as opposed to a quote -though a good one- said by only one parent. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 18:07, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and agreed per above. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 18:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support. When I put the current quote on the page, it was just for Rina, but the proposal fits much better if it is for both of them. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:10, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Support. I agree with the above reasons. --AvatarTylerftw (talk to me) 19:43, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Out of the Past Edit

Current

"Aang... this whole time... you were trying to warn me about Tarrlok." — Korra to herself after mediating on her visions.

Proposed replacement #1

"Aang, this whole time, you were trying to warn me..." — Korra after meditating on her visions.

Proposed replacement #2

"I finally connected with you, Aang. But, what are you trying to tell me?" — Korra after meditating on her visions.

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The current bothers me for a few reasons. The first is it doesn't match our transcript, second, it says Aang was trying to warn her about Tarrlok, even though he was trying to warn her about Amon too. Third, she didn't really say that to herself, she said it to Aang. I think both proposals are fine, one more closely sticks to the current and the overall result of the episode, while two instead describe the events in the episode. I think either are fine, imo. Truly Ferret 03:57, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Since this was overall about the warning, I'm more inclined to go with proposal #1. But likewise, either one would be fine with me. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 04:14, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Support for the current. Any inconsistency issues with the transcript could've been changed -as has been done- as well as the "quote explanation" -as still can be done- without a quote proposal, so all the reasons to change that allude to that are moot.

The current quote is the best overall. Korra "stopped" between the parts of her sentences long enough for there to be ellipses instead of commas, so that rules out one for me. As for #2, the fact that the current quote is said to Aang and mentions Tarrlok links better to the two sides of the story than proposal 2, as that one basically stays in the dark over the plotline regarding Tarrlok. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 09:31, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Tahn Edit

Current

"Hello there, fellow refugees!" — Tahn to Team Avatar in "The Serpent's Pass".

Proposed replacement #1

"We're all looking for a better life, safe behind the walls of Ba Sing Se." — Tahn to Team Avatar in "The Serpent's Pass".

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While adding some images to Tahn's article, I saw his quote and thought that it is pretty meaningless and says nothing about his character. Thus I would like to propose this cange. I know that this quote is also rather generic, but I did not find a more fitting one, and it certainly says more about him than the current one. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 10:36, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion; I support the change - the current is a mere greeting while the proposed provides details on Tahn's goals and wishes to lead a safer life with his family. The Ultimate Waterbender 21:16, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change also. It better depicts him as in entirety. Chakra Sandwich 03:45, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Metalbending Police Force Edit

Current

"Police! Freeze where you are!" — Metalbending officers in "Welcome to Republic City".

Proposed replacement #1

"My metalbenders and I will provide extra security [...] There's no better force to deal with the chi-blockers. Our armor is impervious to their attacks." — Chief Lin Beifong to the United Republic Council in "And the Winner Is...".

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Proposed replacement #2

"If you keep the arena open, my metalbenders and I will provide extra security during the championship match. There's no better force to deal with the chi-blockers. Our armor is impervious to their attacks." — Lin talking about her officers in an attempt to persuade the council from closing down the Pro-bending Championship Tournament in And the Winner Is....

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The current quote identifies the group as a police force, but it doesn't really indicate what makes them a special organization. The proposal has its flaws as well, though it does say they are metalbenders and that the group is specially equipped to handle important tasks. Sparks • From • Hades 17:11, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris (talk • HotN) 17:18, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

The new quote isn't perfect, but for now I support it as an alternative to the current, which doesn't really say anything about the organization in general. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 21:21, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

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Tossing out a longer and IMO better option. Tech Addict, Fan-Fiction Writer, and Aspiring Filmaker 00:36, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still with proposal one. The only meaningful addition two makes to one is the championship match, though that is superfluous and a bit irrelevant as it says nothing about the police force. Context is already provided in one with "chi blockers". Sparks • From • Hades 02:22, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

I like proposal number uno. Chakra Sandwich 02:28, February 11, 2013 (UTC)