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Approved proposals

Harmonic Convergence (episode)

08-12-2014

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This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #4 will be the new profile image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

So, my primary problem with the current, and the reason I wanted to propose a change, is that the current is just too plain. It's literally just a picture of Vaatu floating there. True, the point of the episode was Unalaq freeing Vaatu during Harmonic Convergence, but there's nothing that alludes to the conflict or tension that led up to that moment. It's just Vaatu...floating in midair...So I've proposed two new images; rather than propose an image of the actual event of Harmonic Convergence, such as the planets aligning or the spirit energy meeting at the equator, etc. I decided to propose images that combine the celestial event with the actual freeing of Vaatu taking place, instead of simply showing the aftermath. This demonstrates more conflict and better represents the plot of the episode. The current just shows the end result, which is rather devoid of action, which I feel doesn't really do the episode justice, since it was a particularly action-packed episode of the season. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 04:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:09, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
By the way, just to clarify, I support proposal 2. :) Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 04:10, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I've just added another proposal. While I don't have an issue with the others, I feel that, in the case of the first proposal especially, the action really is too far away. The big reveal of this episode was the fact that Vaatu managed to escape, which isn't shown in either proposal. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:20, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

While in proposal 3 I suppose with the others in the picture it adds a bit more tension, he's still just floating. I think it also doesn't quite fit since, again, it just shows the aftermath of the episode's plot, rather than the plot itself, and I also think it misleadingly implies the episode as being about a conflict between Korra and Vaatu, which doesn't occur until the next episode.
The point of Harmonic Convergence is that Korra failed to close the portals before it occurs, which I think is more clearly demonstrated in both of my proposals, since either the portals themselves or their energy is directly portrayed. In the current and proposal 3, the Harmonic Convergence part of the episode is sort of thrown under the rug, along with most of the episode's conflict. How Vaatu actually got out is left out, which, considering the episode's title, is sort of an important aspect of the episode itself. :/ Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 04:54, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
The result of Korra being unable to close the portals is, imo, more important than the fact she was unable to close them. The point of Harmonic Convergence is debatable; is the point that Korra failed, or is the point that Vaatu was released? I favour the latter, and thus believe that the profile image should reflect that. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:06, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
I think you're overlooking the fact that Korra failing and Vaatu being freed are the same thing; both, coincidentally, are demonstrated by both of my proposals. It's much more effective imagery to show Vaatu being freed by Harmonic Convergence itself, without doing something as banal as just showing Vaatu floating in midair. As I said, it misleadingly sets Vaatu up as the source of the conflict of the episode, when in fact he doesn't begin to interact with Korra until the next episode. It also lacks any sort of action and is frankly a boring image, which is disappointing considering how, as I said, this episode has a lot of good action in it. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 05:14, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
Taking the third proposal at completely face value, it is what I believe to be a better image. The subject is clear and centered, to start with. I've stated above why I don't believe proposal #1 is a good image, and without context, proposal #2 means nothing. It's the tree of time being struck by lightening. The third proposal may be "banal" (though I really don't believe that's true) to you, but it is easier on the eyes without the distracting, luminous lightening strikes, and better shows the climax and point of the episode.
Your proposals show neither Korra failing, nor Vaatu being freed. One has to watch the episode to realise that the lighting is the result of Harmonic Convergence whilst the Spirit Portals are open, and they have to understand that to understand that it results in Vaatu being freed. For all anyone else can tell, it's merely Mako lightingbending the tree. By actually showing Vaatu, it becomes obvious immediately that he's freed, and, by extension, that Korra failed. Not all images need action, and in some cases, it's extremely distracting (for instance, the former Crossroads of Destiny image was another "action" one, and that was overruled by a less dynamic image). I believe that proposal #3 demonstrates both points that you believe the other two make, while also being a nicer, clearer image without any distractions. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:26, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
Since the energy striking the tree is, in fact, Korra having failed and Vaatu being freed, it is far more relevant than proposal 3. I could say the same thing about "context" for proposal 3; without context, it's just an image of Vaatu, with no indication of how he was released, which might as well make it an image from the next episode. There's nothing to differentiate it from the one that follows it and justify making it the image for this episode, being that the next one starts off with the exact same thing. And the most deciding factor for me, which is why I proposed 1 and 2 in the first place, is that the current is flat-out boring, plain and simple. Similarly, there's no action in proposal 3 either, and there's no getting around that. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 05:35, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
I'd also like to point out that, contrary to what you said, the current image that replaced the old "Crossroads of Destiny" image is an action scene, being that Zuko is in the midst of a bending confrontation with both Aang and Azula. The issue that motivated the change was plot relevance, which was not demonstrated by the action in the original, but was in the approved proposal. It's the same with this; neither the current nor proposal 3 have any direct connection to the overall plot of Harmonic Convergence, only indirectly hinting at it. Using the analogy of "Crossroads," since the point of Harmonic Convergence was that its energy would free Vaatu and this is what Korra spent the entire episode trying to prevent, showing Vaatu means that the conflict has already resolved itself and the focus of the episode is over, since Harmonic Convergence has achieved its end, which isn't very clear from the image anyway. This is like showing a picture for "Crossroads" where Zuko has already made his decision and joined Azula; the conflict resolved and the end result achieved, misleadingly implying that the point is Zuko and Azula fighting Aang and Katara, whereas it's actually him making a moral choice. In that example he's already done this and there's no point in emphasizing his defection, and in this case the foreshadowing of Vaatu about to confront Korra is just as irrelevant. Additionally, both are very boring images of Vaatu floating. Both of which combined make them very lackluster images. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 05:42, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

The point of me bringing up the CD image is that lightning ≠ action. If anything, it's distracting. Yes, it's just an 'image of Vaatu', but that's only if you ignore all the other cues; people in the foreground, the obvious fact they're in the Spirit World. Yes, it could be from the next episode, however the fact that it would be the profile image of this episode nullifies that argument. There doesn't have to be action, and as I've said above, in this case, the lightening is distracting and needs even more context that what you believe the third proposal needs. 'Boring' is subjective, and Vaatu being freed is certainly important to that episode. Just by him being freed shows that Korra indeed failed. Lightning hitting a tree shows neither. But, obviously we disagree, so I think it's best to just wait for input from others. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:58, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

In pointing out that it could come from the next episode, I am emphasizing that there is nothing unique to this episode portrayed in this picture. Since we are supposed to capture the heart of the episode, throwing up a generic scene of Vaatu looking at Korra does not suffice. The energy (not lightning) hitting the tree obviously signifies Vaatu being freed; ignoring the fact that most people who read the article have watched the episode is pointless, and trying to accommodate the 1% who haven't is also pointless. By your logic, people who haven't watched series have just as much chance as knowing what the Tree of Time is as knowing who Vaatu is. If they don't know the significance of the Tree being infused by spirit energy, then they also wouldn't know who Vaatu is, so just showing him wouldn't be sufficient under your guidelines either. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 06:41, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I added in a fourth proposal. Personally, I don't really see a real need to change the image, but I do acknowledge the fact that an argument can be made as to why it needs to be changed. A lot of talk went on about the point of the episode. All the conflict in the episode was in my opinion geared to one thing -two things, actually: getting into the Spirit World to 1. close the portal, and 2. find Jinora. I don't feel that second plotline should take precedence over the first, so that's out. Different approaches have been presented on representing that goal: either the moment the goal fails -represented in 1 and 2- or the consequences of the failing -represented in the current and 3.

Which is where the fourth option, the moment where Korra tries to close the portal, comes into play as that image could be seen as some sort of middle ground between Lord Hyōga's reasons to change the current to an action shot of the tree and Fruipit's counter arguments against those image:

  1. It's more of an action shot as opposed to the current and 3 (although action is not a must in episode infobox images. When looking over all the infobox images, there is more or less a balance between action and passive images. The only thing that matter is to capture the plot, regardless of the manner in which that's done).
  2. It focuses on (part of) the reason of all the conflict in the episode: closing the portal before HC to prevent Vaatu from escaping, which is something that none of the four other images at discussion display. Those all focus on the failing of the attempt, but "failing" was never part of the plan. As such, it could be argued that we shouldn't focus on that as it wasn't the goal of the episode.
  3. It is recognisable: you see a grimacing Korra (representing struggle) and you see the portal (representing the point of the episode, as well as the energy involved due to the light). Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:53, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
I support #4. It depicts the plot well, per Lostris. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 08:30, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #3 is the best one in my opinion, and I support it. The new one Lostris uploaded is a close second, but I, personally, think that it is a little too bright to be used. Lucid☆Star 12:02, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
The big, defining moment of 212 was that Korra tried but did not close the portal in time and thus Vaatu was freed. In that case, one could easily make a case for PR3, as there is Vaatu right there in the open. Lostris makes a sound argument, however, for PR4 - there's Korra's struggle, a solid action shot you don't really get in PR3. What I don't really like with PRs1+2 is that they are both quite far off shots and thus it's hard to tell what's going on beside the convergence. So, in the end, PR4 gets a slight edge in my mind, because, per LL, it does a better job catching the action and main purpose of the episode. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:12, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
I think proposal 4 is a good compromise; I had considered proposing it myself, but I ultimately decided to concentrate on the other two, since Korra's struggle preceded Harmonic Convergence, the namesake of the episode. However, it is an action shot, which I like, and it shows what Korra is doing that motivated the episode's plot (as Lady Lostris points out) and also foreshadows her failure. I understand action might not be a necessary element for everybody, but I think it has an advantage over other images when it comes to representing episodes. It also shows Korra, which I think addresses Fruipit's complaint about there not being anyone recognizable in my proposals. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 15:39, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed; proposal four is the way to go, per everyone else ^^" Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 11:17, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Terror Within

08-13-2014

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This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 8 will be the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The current image is just a close-up of the Red Lotus, but they were not entirely what the episode was about. The "terror within" from the title refers just as much to Aiwei who helped the Red Lotus get in to Zaofu than it does the Red Lotus. Since I'm not really a fan of displaying an image of Aiwei, I think we should at least show more of Zaofu in the infobox image to covered the "in what"-part of the "within" part of the title while still keeping some focus on the conflict with the Red Lotus as well. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:39, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I understand the reasoning for the proposal in the first place and thus can definitely get my back behind a change - the question for me is choosing with of those four fit best. They all really exemplify a main point of the episode quite well. So, I think I will just kind of take a neutral position at this point and just follow the majority. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really have a preference between any of the proposed as it is just depends on how much action you want to depict and how much focus on the Red Lotus you want to have. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:48, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I support Proposal #1. It has a nice balance of the scenery, which I believe can be recognized as Zaofu (the "within"), and the Red Lotus (the flashier and more prominent half of the "terror"). Krazykid51 15:00, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I don't really like how none of the proposals have the Red Lotus clearly shown; compared to this, I would almost prefer an image of Aiwei. But given the choice between them, I guess I would support proposal 1, since there are at least people visible. Otherwise, without people, one might think the episode was about lava flows and that the "terror within" is a mounting concern within Zaofu about volcanic activity under their city. XD Might I request an image of Lin and Su confronting Zaheer in the air? I think that could be a more effective image, rather than just the stalemate between the main cast and the Red Lotus around some lava. Or the image of the Red Lotus running past Bolin's window after they kidnapped Korra? Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 17:26, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Those images would all just focus on the Red Lotus, which was not entirely the point of this episode. The episode was unmaking the mole within Zaofu after the Red Lotus attacked. Showing only Zaheer or the Red Lotus stalking past a window are not good coverages of the plotline. The reason why the images don't focus completely on the Red Lotus is because that's the point: there was more going on than just that and the image should reflect that. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:29, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
I can appreciate that, but the episode wasn't about lava either, which is 60% of all of the proposals (except 2, which is, like, 15% lava, 85% Bei Fong estate). The episode was about the betrayal of Aiwei, but also the threat that that betrayal represented, in the form of the Red Lotus. The fear stems from the fact that, despite being "the safest city in the world," the Red Lotus was still able to infiltrate it thanks to Aiwei and attempt to kidnap Korra. Showing Lin and Su fighting Zaheer would show their struggle to stop them, while showing them running around with Korra on their backs would show what the fear is about. If you don't want to upload those, then could I additionally request an image of Aiwei interrogating one of the guards? I think that would show the whole "mole" plotline better, and be ironic since Aiwei is also the mole, while simultaneously signifying the search for the mole itself. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 17:36, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
I don't have the monopoly on uploading images. If you want to upload those, go ahead and add them, but I think it's a given that I'm not going to go through the trouble of taking the screenshots that I find worse than any of the proposed or even the current and will only end up opposing. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:51, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
I don't have access to usable video I can take screenshots from. If you don't want to, then maybe somebody else might help out. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 17:56, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

So I added the requested images as well as one that focuses on Aiwei and his role in the story. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:12, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for uploading those. Second, although proposal 5 isn't the image I was thinking of, I think it probably is a better image overall. Looking at the images really wasn't making it easy to decide, so I put them in the article preview to see which looked the best. Proposal 5 makes a lot of sense as the lead quote for the episode is "They've got Korra!" and that's what the image shows. Proposal 7 really matches the title of the show, so I think it's effective for that reason, since they're looking for "the terror within." I really can't decide between them though. Proposal 6 just looks odd for some reason, maybe it's because you can't tell Lin is moving; anyway, it just didn't seem to fit to me. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 16:42, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I added another proposal. It shows Aiwei in evidence during the interrogation, the traitor right under their noses. (I'm sorry, I couldn't find an image without the logo.) Thunder God Cid (wallcontribs) 18:01, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

OK, so I'd prefer #8 image as the terror isn't just about the Red Lotus. Yes, they are the terror but Aiwei is the core of the issue in this episode. Just my opinion. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 18:39, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't so sure about proposal 8 at first, since it focuses so much on Aiwei and it's not really clear what he's doing, but after previewing it in the article, I think the brooding tension in the image is a great reflection of the overall tone of the episode, so I would support this one. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 18:58, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
The main point of this episode was the ORL's attempt to kidknap korra. the profile picture should be one of the lava scenes. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs)
How could that be the main point of the episode when the entire confrontation is over in the first half of the episode? The "terror within" refers to the mole, i.e. Aiwei, as Lady Lostris pointed out at the very beginning and I have reiterated several times since. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 07:48, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
Because that sets in motion the events to come. It's a similar concept as the 'lightning striking the tree of time'. To me, the most memorable part of that episode is 'oh, the Red Lotus actually got Korra. I support proposal #5. It's similar to the current, but clearer. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 08:01, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
Between the lava and proposal 5, I do like 5 better. I just think Aiwei is more appropriate, since that's what the title of the episode refers to. After previewing it in the article, I just thought the overall effect was more congruent with the episode title. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 19:54, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Daw

08-15-2014

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Proposal will be the new profile image.
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Updating his current appearance: he is now bald and generally seen wearing Air Nomad attire. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:29, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:33, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
The proposal is sort of short on resolution and detail. Surely there must be a better option our there; if not, we might as well keep the current. Cropped images of background characters aren't really adequate enough to be profile images. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 22:14, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, per lostris Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 04:59, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
While neither of the pictures is perfect, but the proposal depicts Daw better with the Air Nomad attire. If there is any better option, it might be good. Per LL, support. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 05:03, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

The Ultimatum

08-15-2014

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Proposal will be the new profile image.
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As the episode is out, the main plot that we have is the attack on the Air Nation. The current image shows a pretty well emotion of the new airbenders representative, whom being attacked. But imo, the proposal gives a better shot of attacked Air Nation, as the Red Lotus can easily being seen. Although the image quality is worse now, I think it's not an issue. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 16:12, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I agree. The proposal gives a good shot of the parties involved (save for Korra, but hey, you can't have everything). Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:46, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
Support; this image gives a much better context for the plot of the episode, as well as a better overview of the people involved, as Lady Lostris mentioned. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 19:05, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Gurihiru

08-18-2014

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This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal 1 is the new infobox image.
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None of the images above are by no means perfect, but the two proposals are definitely steps in the right direction. The first proposal features both of the artists prominently with great coloration while the second proposal does the same with slightly more definition, but with less than favourable coloration. I am slightly more inclined to support the first proposal as it is visually better. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:55, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I kind of want to go for proposal #2 because they're in a nice, steady, formal position, but I'm holding back on going with it because the second woman (can't remember either of their names) looks somewhat weird in that shot. That being considered, I could definitely live with proposal #1. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 21:06, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Support #1. They just look more alive there and it's a decent shot qua coloration and lighting. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:25, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I support proposal #1. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 05:59, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Crystal Catacombs

08-19-2014

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This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal will be the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The proposal shows more of the catacombs without putting focus on characters, as the current does. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:38, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion, and I agree. The proposal is a lot nicer, brighter, and clearer. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 23:41, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
support Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 04:49, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Lian

08-19-2014

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Proposal 2 is the new infobox image.
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The current image has an object directly in front of it, and misleading shadows (I always thought she had a plait over her shoulder due to this image, and a scar under her eye). As I said in the Toph games proposal, we can't win with the game images; however, we can try and use the best one. The proposals are all better-lit and show off Lian's features far better than the current. The second proposal is, imo, the best due to the clarity of her features and that we can actually see the mark under her eye. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 11:17, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. #2 or #5 for me as they seem to be the only proposals that don't depict her with an awkward mouth and are of acceptable quality. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:25, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the mouth is the video game's issue, unfortunately, so I couldn't grab cleaner shots. I prefer the second over the fourth because she just looks too.... not-evil in the fourth. Her expression is better in the second. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 11:33, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I don't know the game, so I'll leave personality-based decisions to be made by others. My choice was purely an aesthetic one. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:42, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
2 or 5 are fine but I have a preference for two because even though she isn't looking at the camera, her face doesn't look squashed.Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 01:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
Per LL and FF, I could live with either PR2 or PR5. If I had to choose one, I'd lean toward PR2 for aesthetic purposes, it looks like there's some dirt on her mouth in 5. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 01:56, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Toph Beifong (games)

08-19-2014

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This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #4 will be the new profile image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The current profile image is extremely inadequate, if only because of the tiny file size. As I've said before, we can't really win with the game images, but the ones above are probably the best out of the ones available. 1 and 4-6 are well-lit and show her features well, though 4 is probably too close. I wouldn't go for #1 because she has her eyes shut, and I don't think proposal #3 is the best due to the shadows and distance. I believe #5 and #6 are far superior to the current, and the best out of the proposals. #5 has a good body shot, and while the angle is a little strange, I don't believe it's detrimental to the image. The #6 may be a little close, but the lighting and far better quality than the current. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 10:37, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I support #4: clear, well lit, good size shot of her face with acceptable quality and no distractions or awkward poses. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:25, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree. I think the fourth, while it is clear and well-lit, is just not the sort of picture that should be a profile image. It's almost too bright, and her eyes are, frankly, creepy. It's not a huge deal, I suppose—more personal preference than needed—but I just dislike that image. That being said, anything is better than the current, so I don't actually truly disagree with any of these. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 11:33, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
It seems to be a rather poor quality computer game -meaning that most closer images will be creepy-looking. #4 certainly isn't perfect, but in #1 she has her eyes closed and the fact that the poor quality of the game's graphics are emphasized by her sleeves makes it even less desirable. #2 is of rather poor quality in a dark setting with Toph in a rather awkward pose. #3 would have been the best were it not for the poor quality and the lack of lighting. #5 fully body-shots are not exactly desirable for a profile image, and #6 has her looking down. As such, I supported #4 since that's the one for which I had the least immediate downsides. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:41, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
It's very old. I think all of the content is on youtube, but searching for it amongst the cut scenes takes more time than I had bothered. I can try and find another, more suitable image, if you think it would be better? Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 11:52, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I think that #4 is good enough, but if you think there are better options, I'm not going to stop you from tracking those down :-) Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:54, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I've just uploaded three more. Personally, I think number 9 is the best. It's unfortunate, but Toph has very little screen time in the third game, which is where the last 2 proposals came from (inarguably higher quality). So, we're basically stuck with her in a hat. #8 and #9 are pretty much the same (they come from the same section) with the notable difference being that she's looking at the camera in the first. I think, for this reason, the second one looks more aesthetically pleasing – it just seems softer. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 13:29, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

I still maintain my support for #4. As you said, apparently she didn't have a lot of screentime in the third game, so a depiction of her with the hat is not an overall portrayal of how she looks in the games most of the time. Quality wise that image also isn't better to offset the uncharacteristic appearance. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:34, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I figured #4 has Toph's creepy emotion and an awkward mimic. However, the hat in proposal #8 and #9 doesn't depict her well as the in the most of the time she doesn't wear it. I think I'd support #4. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 13:39, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
[Edit conflict] Hm, well, overall, there were fewer cutscenes in the third game, and though she was featured less in the third, it's proportional to the cut scenes of the second (relatively, she didn't seem to have much more or less screen time). That being said, when she was featured, it was more prominent. She was only shown in the hat in the third game, I believe; I didn't see her without it at all. Really, I think it makes no difference, but I suppose without it, the game does at least have some continuity with the show, so... Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 13:41, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Kai

08-22-2014

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The proposed still captures Kai personality while showing him in his more common attire, namely the airbending robes. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:25, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 23:28, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

I support the proposal. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:56, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Err... While I agree with Lady Lostris's reasoning, the proposal's background is much too dark, making the entire image look murky. In addition, I feel Kai's face is at much to large an angle. Because of this, I'm going to support the current for now. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 09:57, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Support for the proposal. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 13:36, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Even though the background is dark, but I can't find any other well image which represent him better. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 16:27, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
For the same reasons DrDman200000 said I support the current image. Leodix (wall)

I add another proposal. Similar image, but different angle. Thunder God Cid (wallcontribs) 03:07, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

While there is no much difference between #1 and #2, but the second proposal gives a weird mimic from Kai. His mouth opens, and the angle doesn't look better than #1. I stand for #1. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 03:21, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

I think the frontal angle is better. And I add a third option, without the mouth open. Thunder God Cid (wallcontribs) 03:42, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
I support the third proposal, better angle. Leodix (wall)
I like number 1. It shows him smiling and honestly I just think his face looks squashed in 2 and 3 plus 2 has an open mouth. Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 06:28, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
I vote for number two - the trickster smile shows his personality well. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs)

Ming-Hua

08-22-2014

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The proposal depicts her with her water arms, with are a very distinctive part of her, as well as with her usual hairdo. She also sports a rather sadistic smirk, which is becoming of her personality. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:56, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Support the proposal per Lady Lostris. User:ShadowKeeper
Yes, I support the proposal. My girl looks so fierce Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:56, August 22, 2014 D(UTC)
I definitely support as well. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 09:53, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
Perfect. ― Thailog 12:59, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Jinora

08-22-2014

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Pretty self explanatory. She just had a drastic change in appearance and this image is more frontal than the current image. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 17:27, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I disagree. Yes, she underwent major changes by shaving her hair, but from all the female Air Nomads that we know, we know that at least part of the hair will be grown back. As such, I don't think we should change it now to fully bald, a look she sported for about a minute in the three books that we've known of her. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:42, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
If I recall, we used the final appearances [in the confines of ATLA of course] to represent all the characters. Katara is one example, as she appeared with her ponytail and long sleeved outfit for the vast majority of the series, only gaining the appearance we depict in the second half of book 3. This would be no different.. and there's no guarantee Jinora will grow her hair out again. After all, they could have partially shaved her head like most female air nomads but they didn't. This leads me to believe that Bryke intends to make her resemble Aang, and won't change her appearance from what was shown. I know it's conjecture but so is assuming she'll grow her hair out again. Furthermore, her arrows represent her development as a character and ascent into being an airbending master, which is astronomically relevant to her character. It's not just about an appearance change, it's about character growth and who she is now. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 17:48, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree, we should keep the current proposal. I believe the only reason her head was fully shaved is because she needed to be tattooed and you can't do that with hair. We should wait until Book 4 is released and see if they keep her head fully shaved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowKeeper (wallcontribs) 17:56, August 22, 2014 (UTC)


That's a good point and I'll concede on that, but I don't see it as a reason for not updating the image either. It will be an entire year [maybe/probably a little less] before Book 4 comes out, and if her appearance changes from this then we can just update it again. There's also time frames to take into consideration, as Book 4 could take place mere weeks or a month from Book 3, and Jinora's hair will hardly be grown out fully by then. We can't really be sure if she'll get anything more than a change of clothes. Regardless, I still feel it necessary to showcase her arrows now given the reasons stated. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 18:00, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

We don't automatically use a last appearance as an infobox image. We use the image that depicts the character in a way they're most recognizable, both in appearance and personality. As such, Jinora is still most known without her shaved head and her unshaved appearance is already covered on the page itself -this is similar as to why we don't change Katara and Zuko's infobox image to their older appearance. Additionally, the image does not capture her personality at all, which is also something to take into consideration. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Disagree. Besides her looking like that being very brief (even though there's a whole lot there that's likely to be permanent), she's rather somber looking in the proposal, which doesn't represent her character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 20:07, August 22, 2014‎ (UTC)


If most of you prefer her new-looking, I think we should wait for the next book release, as we might see her appearance with the arrow, and maybe some alterations that happened in the time between book three and four? Stick to the current. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 05:22, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

I don't like either of the proposals, the first she looks sad which doesn't suit her character and the second has too much distraction in the background, plus we don't know if this will be a permanent look compared to her most seen appearance. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 11:41, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

She's not going to get her old look back so this will be a prominent look for her. It's a very permanent deal. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 02:26, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

On the same time, we have to say "She's not going to get both looks back.". I mean, no one can guarantee that she will not have her hair behind the forehead, can't we? AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 03:24, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
If she continues to sport this look all throughout Book 4, then the image can be changed again, because claiming now that this -the completely bald look- will be her permanent look is pure conjecture, especially since we know that every female airbending master grew back part of her hair. For now, Jinora is not best known to be bald, making hat representation of her worthy of being noted in her article, but not in her infobox, not just yet anyway. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 12:51, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Per LL. The new look is heretofore uncharacteristic and basically unrecognizable. If she keeps it henceforth, then we should change it. ― Thailog 13:03, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
It's also pure conjecture to say that she'll have hair in the next season. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 22:57, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Even so, as of now, her pre-ceremony look has largely been her common appearance. Thus, pending how she looks in Book Four, I agree with staying with the current for now. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:59, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Venom of the Red Lotus

08-22-2014

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Korra resisting the Avatar State was over after the first five minutes of the episode. As such, I don't think that's the best representation for it. The proposed show more of Korra's struggle with the Avatar State and the pain that she is in -which reflects the venom of the Red Lotus and the point of the venom at the same time. My personal preference goes to #1 because I just find that to be a powerful image that displays that even though she's in the Avatar State, she's been brought down to her knees due to the circumstances. It shows her shackles, hinting to her capture, it shows the Avatar State (which was the point of the poison), and it shows her on her knees (which reveals her struggle and pain). It's revealing, while not too revealing at the same time. #2 and #3 are more or less the same image, though #3 is too similar to the infobox image for 310 (though I added here anyway since it's already been used on some of the pages). #2 shows the moment right before the suffocation, thus it also shows her struggle without being too revealing like three. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:20, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 14:21, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Added two more options, of which I'm in support of #5, as it represents what the Red Lotus is about to do to Korra in a subtle way as opposed to simply showing her in the Avatar State, which is ambiguous in my opinion. By also showing the insignia of the RL it also plays into the title of the episode. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 17:35, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

I retain my support for #1, because both 4 and 5 are exactly why I proposed to change the current. What those images depict is something that's over withing the first five minutes of the episode. As such, it's not the main point. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:38, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Just because it's over within minutes doesn't mean it's not the main point, in my opinion. All that follows from here is Korra fighting Zaheer, but the poisoning was still the prime focus of the plot. It's even in the title. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 17:42, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
The image shows that Korra has been captured, though it shows nothing of her ensuing struggle. As such, that image is too bland to be the infobox image in my opinion as opposed to a more powerful relay of events depicted in #1. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Of the current proposals, I can't really say that any of them work for the page (even though I like several of them). However, File:Korra poisoned.png image could work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 20:07, August 22, 2014‎ (UTC)

I still have a preference for #1 due to it showing her shackles (hinting to her capture), showing the Avatar State (which was the point of the poison), and showing her on her knees (which reveals her struggle and pain). It's revealing, while not too revealing at the same time. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:16, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #1 is a very powerful image, I like it and it does depict the main struggle of the episode. Support. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:56, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Although several interpretations can come up, which may lead to several main points of the episode, I personally prefer when the image is a literal representation of the title. In this case, one that we could see the venom (or it effects), the Red Lotus (their symbol) and, as bonus, Korra's conditions. So I added two more proposals. Thunder God Cid (wallcontribs) 03:45, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

I support #1 to the reasons Lostris has given. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:07, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

I support proposal 8 now that I've seen it. It represents the episode far better than #1 even though they both convey the same thing, it showcases the fact that this Avatar State is forced a lot better, while #1 is simply her in the Avatar State. Red Lotus insignia in the background is a nice touch too. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 07:11, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Each their own of course, but while #8 is a decent image, I find it to thoroughly lack the power and the beauty coming from #1. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:58, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
I personally really like number five because the image of her hanging over the symbol of the Red Lotus, chained, gives a good vibe for the episode. However, I also like one because a lot of the episode as about Korra after she was forced into the Avatar State, so, either work for me. (I also don't mind 6 but I have a preference for 5,1,6 in that order) Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 21:57, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Ghazan

08-22-2014

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Better lit proposal of him. Either proposal is fine with me, it just depends on how much you want his body to be angled, though I have a slight preference for 1 since it leaves a bit more room above his head. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:18, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 13:20, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

I support #1. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:56, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Per Water Spout, proposal one. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 09:54, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Red Lotus

08-22-2014

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The Red Lotus is more than the four members shown in the image -and following the final of book 3, they're either dead or imprisoned. As such, I propose to change the image to the more generic symbol of the Red Lotus, which is more timeless. The four core members are still more than enough represented on the page itself. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:13, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 13:14, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Support per reasons given, plus it matches the original white lotus. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 18:43, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

The first proposal is not well lit, and the insignia is cut off. And while the first proposal is from the actual show, I feel proposal two better displays the insignia. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 07:44, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Is it an officially licensed photo though? and not fan art? If it's the former then I agree. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 07:53, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
Is that "Zaheer for the people"-Tumblr blog official? If so, I can support the image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:10, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
I'm all for the proposal but also have reservations about the legitimacy of the source. That said, the image is the same used in the background of the Book Three trailer, just without the text over, so it has some official basis. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 08:50, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

But it wasn't actually taken from an official source WS. If it was directly taken from the trailer that would be one thing, but if it's based off what was seen in the trailer by an artist then it is considered fanart. Which is disappointing because it's a much better image. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 04:16, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Lady Junky conveniently found an official source for the image, so I'm in support of the second proposal. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:48, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Since there is a source, I support proposal 2 instead. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 14:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Me too, I prefer proposal :) Lady Junky 17:02, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Added a third proposal. Same as 2 but more compact and would fit in an infobox better, of which I'm in support of. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 23:01, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Kuvira

08-24-2014

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The Proposal is very good because, Kuvira is shown without headgear, you can see her hair and has prettier face. Stella2013 wall 18:57, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:08, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Full support. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 20:51, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
Support per reasons. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 18:41, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I vote for the current. In the proposal, her face is at a weird angle and has a shadow over it. In addition, I actually like the fact that she has her helmet on in the current; She is the captain of the guards, so her overall authority as commanding officer is probably very important to her. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 21:20, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I vote current per DrDeman's reasons. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 08:25, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Zaheer

08-25-2014

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Hey everyone. I know there isn't that much need to change Zaheer's image, but I think the proposed is objectively a better image than the current for a number of reasons, although none of them are major, admittedly. First off is the air temple background and his staff, showcasing the air nomadic traits of his character a little more than the current. Second is that it shows a little more of his upper body and shoulders, which I think would look nicer in the infobox overall because it's vertically larger. Additionally, he's squinting in the current image and there's more detail in the cheekbones in the proposal. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 18:50, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I agree, though mostly because I'm not really a fan of the distracting green glow in the current. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:56, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Per Mandon's reasoning. I also like it a little more than the current image. Lucid☆Star 19:01, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to vote to stick with the current for now. (I feel the background is a little too busy compared to the current, pulling focus away from Zaheer). DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 21:12, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I prefer the proposal for the reasons given, I don't feel it is too busy myself, but the distraction in question serves quite nicely with him being an Airbender opposed to the green background suggesting the complete opposite. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 22:23, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the proposal. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 13:28, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Daw

08-25-2014

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Similar image in representation, though it is of higher quality. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:56, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 10:58, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I support the proposal. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 11:25, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Support per reasoning given. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 13:30, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Same here. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 14:00, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

P'Li

08-25-2014

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The current picture is so... awkward. She is awkwardly positioned, her mouth is open, Zaheer is clearly visible in the background, etc. The proposal eliminates all these problems, thus making it a much better profile image. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 09:33, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 09:35, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
With higher-quality of the proposed, I support. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 13:30, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Approved per reasons stated. I didn't notice her mouth or Zaheer until now but now that I do, it's a pretty major flaw. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 18:39, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Minor factual correction -not that it matters, but still: her mouth is not open, it is just the shadow from the fire she is sitting next to. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:42, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I change my vote after what LL said. I think the lighting and frontal view more than make up for Zaheer being in the image. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 07:50, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

I support the proposal. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 15:30, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Order of the White Lotus

08-25-2014

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The proposal is good because The Current Image is Iroh and the member playing Pai Sho, "They communicate membership through the game by placing Pai Sho tiles on the board", not exactly a symbol of the White Lotus the current image is just the way they communicate while the Proposal is the exact logo of the White Lotus PhoenixFlames23 (wallcontribs) 06:22, August 25, 2014 (UTC).

Approved for discussion. I don't know – I don't feel like an insignia featured on a trailer is the best choice. Actually, it really isn't. That being said, I don't think the current image is all that spectacular, either. I vote to keep it as the current unless a better one can be found. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 07:36, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
What about the image of the actual tile? That one wasn't shown in the trailer and it is arguably more accurate considering that was what the name was based on? If so, maybe add it here, I'm not adding it unless there is actually preference for it over the proposal? Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 09:06, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I added two more proposals as the first in non canonical. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 10:44, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I prefer 2 and 3 to the original, 3 just looks like an altered image of the red lotus one though. I'm for proposal 2. For my previous reasons. Though I would be happy with the currant as my second, if 2 gets overruled, due to showing us "the order in action" rather than just their symbol. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 11:56, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Considering the fact that the Red Lotus will be represented by a red-colored symbol, it would be a nice symmetry to do the same with the Order of the White Lotus and I feel like #3 does the best job in that regard. It is a shot taken from the official trailer, so there is no mistaken its unaltered officialness (okay, that's a weird way of wording it, but you get what I mean ^^"). I also added a #4, which is the cropped version of #3 and my support goes to either 3 or 4, depending on which size the image on the Red Lotus page will have. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:12, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Is that officially OWL's logo? If so, I support either #3 or #4, as it's aesthetically well. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 13:30, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
It was shown on the trailer for Book 3, so I suppose that's pretty official. It's a white lotus. I like the consistency, so yeah, whatever the red lotus image gets, I go for this one (with the blue background). Personally, I'd prefer it to be square, but that's me. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 13:33, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I don't know. i don't like the idea of just having their symbol as their propic. i think their pic should include their members, just like the ORL one. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs)
I support either #3 or #4. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 14:50, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Do we even know if that's what the White Lotus' insignia is? At least with the Red Lotus we saw the symbol on the wall in their hideout. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 18:40, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

That's what threw me off, and why I prefer the actual tile; at least we know that is associated with the group. If it is though, they I may just support proposal 4 over 2. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 19:37, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I guess if we're accepting it as the WL insignia then I'm for proposal 1, as it matches the Red Lotus image. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 08:25, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

The Metal Clan

08-31-2014

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Proposal #3 will be the new profile image.
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The current image, while a good image of Zaofu, isn't from this episode. It was originally, but a cloudless and airshipless version from The Terror Within was uploaded on top of it. All three proposals show something that is central or important about the episode. Proposal 1 is their arrival at Zaofu, which sets up the whole plot, proposal 2 shows the main conflict between the sisters and Korra as a mediator, and proposal three shows the sisters again, but with Opal, the reason they came to Zaofu in the first place. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:02, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 21:15, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
I like #3 more, with three of Beifong descendants who had family issues. It is the central point of the Metal Clan, imo. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 23:29, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
I like #1 the best because it shows Team Avatar entering Zaofu, which to me, is the most important point. Without them entering Zaofu, none of the events would have followed. Elementseeker 21:57, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
disagree, for now. i think we should have an image that shows some of the city, and right now, the current is the only one that does that. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 06:51, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
I prefer #3: it shows Opal, the reason for why they came to Zaofu, as well as the animosity Lin feels for the rest of her family, which was a significant part of the episode. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:57, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Opal

08-31-2014

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The proposed image features Opal with a natural expression more fitting to her personality than the current, in addition to the improved lighting and focus, giving a better look at her face overall. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me!) 05:13, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:16, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
agreed per proposal. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:19, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
Support. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 14:13, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

I support the proposal. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 06:03, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Sokka

09-02-2014

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I believe this image makes Sokka look better. The current profile image makes Sokka's neck look to skinny and overall isn't a good image for a main character like him. I feel this image compliments his face better. --ELEMENTSEEKER 02:11, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion; I disagree. I do think that perhaps a better image can be used, but I don't think the proposal is right for the job. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 02:18, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

I support, for now. the proposal is better than the current, although it's not the best we could do.Intelligence4 (wallcontribs)

I support as well, but as someone already mentioned I think we need a different image to portray the character. -Cybit

I added a second proposal. It has its own downsides, but I think it is better than both the current and the first proposal. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 10:01, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

I support the current for now. The first proposal in inadequate due to it being way too close up to the point that it cuts off part of his head and the fact that he is also sporting an uncharacteristically serene expression for him. Those two things are very important for an infobox and proposal one failed on both of them. Proposal #2 is better than #1, though not good enough to replace the current. While #1 is too close, this one is too far. I'm not particularly fan of the expression he's sporting, although it is within the range of his personality, and the background is somewhat distracting due to it being upside down. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:23, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
I vote for p2. i really dislike his expression in the current. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 12:46, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
I support the current. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 13:10, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
Support for the current here as well per LL's reasons. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:14, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
Neither of the current and proposals are perfect; but the proposal image couldn't represent Sokka well. Maybe it's better in angle or well-lit, but Sokka is known as goofy, decisive, and genius person. As long as we can't find any better representation, stick to the current. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 13:20, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Support for current. Hakota's arm around Sokka in proposal 1 is too distracting and proposal 2 is too zoomed out. Maybe we should consider a photo of Sokka that isn't post-eclipse, because the span of several episodes hardly give us enough options to work with. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 21:41, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Book Three: Change

09-09-2014

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It been standard practice to have the DVD art be the profile picture of the book it is representing. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 21:52, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. For obvious reasons, I agree. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 22:04, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
Approved per reasons. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 05:11, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Kuvira

09-28-2014

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Proposal #2 will be the new infobox image.
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The current profile image is very dark and not well-lit. The proposed is bright and enables people to actually see Kuvira's features. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 01:48, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 01:51, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
I oppose. I see no reason to settle for an awkward, semi-action shot from the trailer when the current image is sufficient for now and the new book is only days away. Let's hold off until we have access to the actual episodes and are able to pick shots that will be undoubtedly better than either of the images now up for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:34, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with LL. All in all, the current image is acceptable and we will have a more appropriate soon enough. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:02, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Fruipit, it really shows who Kuvira is and shows her character a little better, plus, as she said, it is better lit. User:Tono555/Sig 2 5:22, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
I also agree with Fruipit. The current image is a touch too dark, even though it is the best one we have available outside of the trailer. But now that we do have the trailer, why wouldn't we change it? Airbending emblem AvatarAang7Aang Cosmic 12:21, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Fruitpit is right. The new one shows her better with lighting and design, the current one looks a tad awkward even. "Let go your earthly tether." (wallcontribs) 01:36, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Can any of those "pro-voters" please explain to me why we need to change so rapidly now from a decent image to a semi-action shot, which is something we always try to avoid unless there is absolutely no better shot available, only days before the release of the show when better shots are undoubtedly going to be available and we can go through this entire time-consuming thing again? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:46, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

I oppose per Lady Lostris and Water Spout's reasoning. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 10:08, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

I support the proposal due to it having better lighting and a bit more of Kuvira's body in it. I do, however, understand Lady Lostis' opposition towards it. However, waiting hasn't always proven beneficial. I remember for the longest time, Bolin's picture was very dim and he had Pabu on his shoulder. Then, he had a picture of him with his hand on his face. Finally, we now have a well-lit picture of him, but Pabu is still there. I think we should go for the proposal now and hope for a well-lit, less awkward option in the future, which may not happen.ShadowZaHedge Korrasami is endgameKorra Sprite-01Asami-chao4 21:06, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the current one is rather dark, but that's the only thing the proposal has on the image. For the rest, the current image is what we usually look for in an infobox image: a centered shot of the face without any distracting movements and whatnot. The proposal fails on every level except the lighting. It's been recognized as "(semi-)awkward" by both yay and nay-sayers, so why on earth settle for something like that? Just because of the lighting? It's not like the current image is a black hole or something. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 06:19, October 1, 2014 (UTC)
Seeing as Book 4 is coming out in a few short days, and since the current proposal would normally be rejected, I say we just wait a bit. (and if someone could tell me how to go back to the previous visual editor, that'd be super) soren7550

Oppose. Let's wait until we have a more suitable image rather than choose one that we could possibly be changing within days or weeks. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 05:43, October 3, 2014 (UTC)


I added a second proposal which is more in the lines of standard infobox images: it's a centered, frontal shot of the character without a distracting/awkward action pose. She is sporting a neutral bordering cold expression, which fits her new status in the series. Her armor, depicting her status in her army is also clearly visible and the lighting and quality are good. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:48, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Support PR2 per the reasoning given. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 15:00, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Support for proposal 2. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 16:52, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with proposal 2, it shows a good body-shot and profile while still maintaining that depiction of discipline and status she now commands. --KrimzonStriker


I think the second picture is a bit too bland. The Kuvira I've seen so far is not just cold, but also cunning and calculating. I think PR3 conveys the cunning side of her a little more, with the self-satisfied smirk. Same basic story as with Azula. A bland picture just wouldn't fit. Airbending emblem AvatarAang7Aang Cosmic 17:30, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

imo, number two makes her look bored, not neutral, and certainly not cold. i think proposal one best depicts kuvira atm. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 17:36, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Again, proposal one does not meet the infobox image criteria at all. An action shot is never used as the infobox image unless there is absolutely no other shot available. With Kuvira, that's not the case, making #1 out of the question. Number three has her looking to the side with a distracting background of people, which makes that shot unattractive as an infobox image as well. I'm definitely in agreement that #2 is not the best, but since so many people seem to have something against the current and are willing to forsake it for an unacceptable infobox image, it's apparent a replacement needed to be suggested. So while #2 is not perfect, it's better than the others. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:42, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Picture 3 is way too cluttered with unnecessary background people and is at an awkward angle. Hardly makes for a 'profile' image focused on one individual, which should in fact be as neutral as possible anyway. Opposed--KrimzonStriker

Considering the opinions of #2 depicting her bored, I added a #4. However, this image also has its downsides, namely that the background is quite distracting. Anyway, considering the still overwhelming votes to change the current image, I'm just throwing this one out there as well. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:02, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm changing my support for #4, the lighting is much better and the background isn't all that distracting compared to the shadows in in #2. In any event we can always revisit the issue if a better image comes around over the course of the season.-- KrimzonStriker

I support #4 as well. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 16:00, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Changing my support for #4 as well. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 16:35, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Support #4 as well. Airbending emblem AvatarAang7Aang Cosmic 20:18, October 4, 2014 (UTC)
I find #4 very awkward and find #2 more preferable as an infobox image. In #4, Kuvira is depicted off-center and the bright yellow train ornamental behind her is incredibly distracting. Although #2 has a similar background, it is less prominent and Kuvira is presented more distinctly up front and center. In addition, her face looks less stretched than it does in #4 and the crop doesn't detract from the image as it does in #4, since the angle makes her look incredibly geometrical (everything below her neck literally looks like a giant box) in comparison to #2, where there is still a noticeable figure. I support #2. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 04:54, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, after some careful consideration, I will change my support to proposal #2. I think she purposefully looks bored as she is ignoring the Governor of Yi. I think her uncaring expression in #2 suits her personality more than the current image and the other proposals. ShadowZaHedge Korrasami is endgameKorra Sprite-01Asami-chao4 14:44, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

I think we've had some better shots of her in the msot recent episode, why don't we pick something from that instead of these two that nobody can agree upon?Intelligence4 (wallcontribs)

Feel free to propose one, though remember that any shot that has her bending or with the microphone is unacceptable -which rules out most of the frontal shots Kuvira had this episode. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:59, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
i can't upload images; what about one of the ones where she's talking to bolin? or any other shot in that room, really. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 14:06, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

In response to Intelligence4's remarks about the episode "The Coronation" containing some good shots, I chose these two as being profile picture worthy, combining the good lighting, neutral expression and no action. My personal preference goes out to Proposal 5, but I can seen people making the same argument they made against Proposal 4, namely the distracting thing on the left, so I added Proposal 6 as well. The reason I don't think it's as good is because it is noticably more off-center. Airbending emblem AvatarAang7Aang Cosmic 13:24, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Both #5 and 6 are unacceptable as an infobox image due to Kuvira looking awkwardly to the side. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:37, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Voting

As the votes are tied between proposals 2 and 4, there will be a vote.

Proposal 2
  1. Support Support — I support proposal 2. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 04:11, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — Per my reasoning above. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 06:02, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — I still support proposal 2. ShadowZaHedge Korrasami is endgameKorra Sprite-01Asami-chao4 21:28, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — I believe it does a better job of showcasing her personality with this book. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:51, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — Per WS's reasoning above. ― Thailog 21:10, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — The golden thing in the background in #4 is too distracting and I find this better displays her personality as well as being just an overall better animated image as detailed by WS. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:09, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Support Support — The dark shadow over her face seems more appropriate to her character as of now. AdamantiumBladez (wallcontribs) 23:34, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Support Support — Lostris did bring up a good point about the object in the background. I prefer proposal 2 once again. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 06:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Support Support — Displays personality much better than the proposal 4 does. User:Tono555/Sig 2 14:14, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal 4
  1. Support Support — Support unchanged Airbending emblem AvatarAang7Aang Cosmic 07:21, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — Just as centered as proposal 2, but with better lighting. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:34, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
    Support Support — Lighting and expression. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 17:38, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — Better lighting. Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 23:24, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Support — More neutral than the one with her "bored" expression. Distracting background, but I still prefer this proposal. Maxattac (wallcontribs) 12:02, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — Better expression and lighting. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 12:44, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — better expression, lighting, and angle. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 15:30, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Rejected proposals

This proposal has been rejected, because that same image was proposed and rejected August 22.

Jinora

09-04-2014

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I know Jinora did look like the first image fore most of the series, but Jinora is now an airbending master who shaved her head completely. I think this photo represents her status as the first airbending master of her generation, which is an important feat. Plus, she will look like that in Book 4 --Bahjy1 Message Wall Blog 20:00, September 4, 2014 (UTC)