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Approved proposals

The Crossroads of Destiny

07-05-2014

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Proposed #2 will be the new infobox image.
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The current image does not represent the episode. While it is very important to the overall series that Aang was shot with lightning in this episode, it does not encompass the main idea of the episode. The episode revolves around Zuko facing the crossroads of his destiny, and the choice he must make. This is much better presented in the proposal. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 20:37, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. While I definitely agree with the reasoning, I don't support the proposal as it is a very ... busy image. The fact that Azula is blocking half of the image without even being properly shown is very distracting and without Azula being shown properly (thus her head, or at least the back of it), you don't know what's so specific about that image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:19, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

The second proposal does better visualize the "crossroad" the episode is talking about. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:40, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed with LL, I'd definitely go with proposal #2. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:07, July 6, 2014 (UTC)
I also agree with PR2 per the reasoning given. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

For something more symbolic, I added a third proposal. It's good to represent Zuko's inner turmoil while contemplating the decision. However, ironically enough I agree with #2.. just added #3 to give a wider array of options. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 01:18, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer #2 per LL. The proposal #3 is rather ambiguous when we can't clearly see what's Zuko doing. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 01:49, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

I don't like proposal #2, simply because Zuko (who is the key character in the episode) has his back turned, while Azula and Aang (his choices) are far away and barely visible. In proposal #1, Zuko is facing forward, and Azula and Iroh are both visible. Azula's back is turned, but she's more prominently placed in the image than in the proposal and it's clear that Zuko's looking at her, which is what's important, not her face, in this case. This is also when and where Zuko makes his decision and where both sides try to persuade him to join them.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 19:59, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

At this point, i don't like any of the proposals. they all either have a character's back turned, or don't show the point of the episode. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 17:06, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
While all the proposals may not be perfect, every single one is better than the current one -which shows the point of the episode the least of all. So it's better to choose one that is the "best of the worst" than to stay with "the worst". (As a random note, why did you add <nonwiki></nowiki> tags around your colons that would've otherwise made you indent correctly?) Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:32, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
Proposed 2, because the image relates more to the title of the section and see Zuko, who has to choose good or evil Stella2013 (wall) 21:55, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
I think the current depicts a fairly large part of the episode: aang getting killed is something that sets up the beginning of season 3. none of the others can do that.. they just show zuko being angsty, and sometimes with his back turned, which is terrible. (also, i didn't add the nonwiki thing... that must have been the new default visual editor. i hate that thing. what's the nonwiki thing do anyway?) Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:05, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally, Zuko being angsty and confused and in need to make a decision is what the episode is about. We do not need to reflect Book Three in an episode infobox of Book Two, that is not the purpose of a profile image and should thus not be taken into account.
The nowiki tags render coding ineffective. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:51, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hou-Ting

07-05-2014

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Proposal will be the new profile image.
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The current image is too close up. The proposal essentially captures the same emotion, but from a more appealing distance. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 12:37, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:17, July 5, 2014 (UTC)
I oppose the proposal because the expression (as well as the emotion) is, in fact, different, and I think the current captures her calculating nature more so than the proposed, in which she looks sort of confused or maybe angry. The proposed also has less detail; I think the current is a richer image, detail-wise, both in terms of lighting/shading and definition. The distance isn't that good either, since she doesn't even take up most of the image. I understand that some space has to be given to her hat, but if more of her actual body isn't in view, I think it weakens the value of the image, as far as representing her character, since her actual face isn't as visible. Cropping it might help, but the image is already at a low resolution, so a higher resolution version of the image would have to be cropped instead.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 15:21, July 5, 2014 (UTC)
I support the proposal. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 17:25, July 5, 2014 (UTC)
Support for the proposal as well. From what we've seen of the queen so far, she tends to be a more agitated, demanding person, and you can see that in the proposed replacement. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Jet (episode)

07-07-2014

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Proposal 3 is the new infobox image.
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The episode deals with Jet's hatred toward the Fire Nation and the lengths he's willing to go for that. The current image does not reflect that. The proposed, however, does show Jet in conflict with the Fire Nation without revealing too much about the episode in general already. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:18, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Hm, I understand the reasoning, but the proposal just doesn't seem 100% to me, it just shows him fighting some Fire Nation soldier, which there was certainly plenty of throughout the series. A possible second proposal, if a good quality shot of it could be found, would be of him confronting the innocent old civilian; that would definitely reach deep into what the episode is about. If not, though, I would still understand the reasoning for the change and thus support what's here. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:13, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Added the shot you were talking about. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:19, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Aha, there we go - and it adds an additional layer of depth; Sokka stopping him, therein being another key point of the episode. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 17:29, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

I do like the one where Sokka is about to stop him, though I do think the shot is a bit busy. I added another proposal, but it highlights a different aspect of the episode that I think was also significant, which is the relationship between Katara and Jet and the point in which Katara realized that Jet really wasn't who she thought he was. Either way, I'm fine with changing to either P2 or P3. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 18:36, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, while that too was an important part of the episode, I actually don't like that image. Jet's face looks weird to me, which is only highlighted with the distracting shadow in his face. So my support goes to #2. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:40, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

I added my own proposal; while I do think that scene with the old man is an important, symbolic moment in the episode, I just don't like that both of the two important figures in that scene (Jet and Sokka) have their backs turned. In my proposal, I think the image nicely displays some of the tension that runs throughout the episode, namely that Sokka is not taken in by Jet's charisma and eventually becomes suspicious of him, while Jet is being smug per usual, and Katara seems mildly surprised that Sokka isn't impressed by Jet, highlighting Jet's deception of Katara and her short-lived romantic feelings for him, all of which are important subplots not only for the episode, but for the rest of the series and Katara's character development as well, since Jet is repeatedly referred to as or at least hinted as being Katara's ex-"boyfriend."Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 19:51, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

If it were not for Katara's expression, I could've supported #4, but I just really don't like her ... well, basically dumb expression. It is a bigger annoyance to me than Sokka and Jet having their backs turned, so I still support #2. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:04, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

I support #3. In #2 two characters back their backs turned to us, you can't even see the eponymous character clearly and it's hard to tell what's going on in the first place. ― Thailog 10:17, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

I support either 3 or 4.... like thailog said, it's kinda hard to see the old man in the picture, and the characters' backs are turned. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 16:49, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Grey DeLisle

07-07-2014

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Proposal will be the new profile image.
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The proposal is a more current headshot plus is a better image overall with regards to quality. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 00:37, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 01:14, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per reasoning. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 01:49, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
I agree as well. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 04:24, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Spirit World

07-08-2014

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I think the better the proposal because Spirit world is more visible, colorful.Here you can see the spirit world the whole.Picture of who is on the wiki article Spirit World shows only the forest. Stella2013 (wall) 14:35, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 18:12, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the current. The proposal doesn't show it as a whole, it just shows a different forest. The Spirit World isn't all bright and colorful and it shouldn't be depicted as such. The portrayal of the current is neither jolly or depressing and just shows a neutral portion of the Spirit World which is more inline with many of the places we've seen. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 19:44, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Support for the current. As a personal note, I'm also not a fan of the overly bright coloration of the proposed. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:51, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
But it can be noted this was the first place to which Korra and Jinora in which they find themselves, immediately after entering to Spirit World which is to say from this place begins Spirit world. Stella2013 (wall) 22:05, July 07, 2014
There's no saying, as far as we know, where the Spirit World "begins". Everyone who we've seen get into there has landed at all different places throughout. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:10, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
I support the proposal... there's nothing about the current image to say that it is a spirit world forest. it looks just like any other collection of trees. the proposal, however, is clearly not from the material world. i agree that the image is a bit bright, so perhaps we could use another image that's easier on the eyes. what about something that includes the portals, or something that shows how your emotions become your reality? Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 00:42, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
I am for the proposal and Intelligence4. Czarnoksieznik z Angmaru123 (wall) 11:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Current per Water Spout. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 13:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

I also support the current; per Lady Lostris, the proposed is simply too bright. Also, there's no real reason to change it period. Nothing about the proposed makes it more demonstrative of the Spirit World than the current, so why change it? As has been pointed out, many people have entered the Spirit World at different points, but by that logic, we might as well change to the Spirit Portals, since that's where the worlds officially converge, and most Spirits and humans use the portal now.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 19:28, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Asami Sato

07-10-2014

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Proposal #3 will be the new profile image.
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The proposal depicts Asami in better lighting, so she has a more natural coloration as opposed to the somewhat yellow tint she now has, and without her holding a helmet. In addition, it also shows Asami as a more independent woman with a more confident expression, which suits her overall personality better. In the current image, she looks slightly submissive due to the slight hunch in her posture. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:40, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:46, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Err, I'm reluctant to agree to the proposal because I like Asami's face/facial expression much more in the current, because I feel the animators kind of forgot how to animate Asami after book one. I might be able to agree to this because it is a plus that her helmet is no longer visible, but I'd like to see with everyone else has to say. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 15:51, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Whatever our personal preference in regards to the animation is, that doesn't deter from the fact that the current image does not do Asami's personality justice, which is the point of the infobox image. She is much more confident and strong than the submissive girl that we are now depicting. That is something that should be corrected. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:55, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed with LL. I've been wanting to propose this same image as well. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 16:28, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Disagree on several factors. Asami is a light skinned character, and the proposed seems to have her shadowed. The current shows her being kind and caring, which she is. She doesn't appear submissive at all. As a bit of a plus, the current proposal shows her with the Future Industries logo on her, which the company is a big part of her.
I'm not opposed to the idea of changing her profile picture, but the current proposal isn't it. Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 18:34, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Since when was it established that Asami is a light-skinned character? I myself have found that she is portrayed tan more often than not (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6). In fact, the only times I recall that she was ever light-skinned was in the first book and nevertheless the profile image should reflect the change in her character as well as the most accurate portrayal of her character, which is not light-skinned if it is only the case in one out of four seasons.

I disagree with your interpretation of the current. It shows her as naive and damsel-like, what with the blush on her cheeks, the motherly expression, and the cradling of the helmet which just looks awkward. That portrayal is highly inaccurate for an empowered character who has taken control of her own life.

I don't think not having the Future Industries logo on her image detracts from the proposal at all, since the benefit it does provide is that it only frames Asami, as opposed to Asami, her motorcycle, and the background. In addition, it's centered, at a fairly respectable distance, and with a confident and neutral expression that doesn't look contorted like the current. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 18:58, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Support, per Lostris and Water Spout. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 20:07, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not really a fan of the proposed, for a number of reasons, but compared to the current, it's much better. Asami's expression in the current is weird, her face is too bright, and she's got a weird shadow on her face, which is distracting. Just as distracting is the fact that's she's holding something, which is also awkward. Frankly, I agree that Asami is a fair-skinned character, but I don't think the proposed shows her as tan, either, I think that's just the lighting. Anyway, I don't really like the way she looks period, regardless of the lighting, and I hope that a better image can be found eventually, but for now it's better than the current and that, at least, is a step in the right direction.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 20:19, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Im not a fan of it either, however like you said it's better than the current picture, which is rather ugly.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 0zai (wallcontribs) 13:54, July 14, 2014

I added a second proposal that still shows her confidence, lacks a distracting object (i.e. a helmet), lacks a distracting background, and what looks to me as an overall better image. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 23:54, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

I definitely can't agree with that one. She looks like she has a scheming smile in that image. If we're going to change the image, then I would have to be more inclined to agree with proposal 1 - it's the most natural shot free of detractors. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 23:59, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
I agree; her expression is too menacing. The skin is lighter and the image I would say is indeed of higher quality, in terms of how she was animated/drawn. However, again, her expression is too OOC to be her profile image.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 01:04, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
I support proposal 1 because it does portray her as the strong-willed and confident person she is. On a side note, however, I don't entirely agree with the interpretation of Asami as being submissive in the current; her expression is indeed soft, but softness does not equate submissiveness. The Ultimate Waterbender 02:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
I support proposal one. It's a more neutral expression, that does away with the flustered fangirl feel the current image has. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:23, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

I added an (admittedly low quality) third proposal, which I still think is better than proposal #1. My main problem with proposal one is that Asami's eyes look blank and misshapen, leading to an awkward looking shot of her. The third proposal is basically the same shot as proposal one, just with well-shapened eyes and a more welcoming expression. (An please, if anyone can upload a higher quality version of the proposed, I'd greatly appreciate it). DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 15:12, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

I thought of the third proposal as well, but decided against it since it shows Asami with an extremely perky attitude, which game me the impression that she was on some drugs -which in my opinion is worse than the -also in my opinion- nonexistent "issue" with her eyes. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:18, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
I like the third proposal, and would support it, if it was only of higher quality. If you look at the image, it even appears as if a transition is taking place between one image and another, and certain parts of her are translucent. Also, Asami's dimensions are messed up. If a new, better image could be uploaded, I'd probably support that (have to look at it first, of course).Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 14:15, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
I uploaded a hd version of proposal three. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 23:28, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
Support. Better lighting, better expression. I think it better represents her positive, upbeat personality. In proposal one she looks too sultry and in proposal two she looks intimidating, neither of which are accurate representations of her character.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 16:49, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I reuploaded the third proposal with a more high quality screenshot of that image, and I support it. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 01:11, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

I support proposal #3 per the above --Tree_Climber 21:34, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

monorail

07-10-2014

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Proposed will be the new infobox image.
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The proposed is a nice shot of the most recent version of the monorail's appearances as well as the station. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 12:25, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 15:44, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Niyok

07-11-2014

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The current image is not of the highest quality. There is a distracting shadow caused by the house behind her, and it's just a very pixelated shot. The first proposal has the advantage of it being a more neutral facial expression and no awkward text-box, however it isn't as high a quality as the second due to her being 'smaller' in the frame, and her sister's arm is also in the shot. The second proposal is cleaner, however the facial expression is more 'negative'. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 13:59, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:02, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
I vote for proposal 2 Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 14:23, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
I vote for the current image ThatSassyGirlKatara-dobs-c2Korra-chao2 (wallcontribs)
Please remember to give reasons. Why do you vote for the one you chose, I4, ThatSassyGirl? Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 17:22, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
I definitely don't think proposal 1 is the right choice with whomever's arm that is in the way and Niyok being off-center. That being said, the current and proposal 2 showcase two entirely different sides of her - one of which is great happiness at seeing her old friend, and the other being her seriously explaining why things are the way they are. It's a tough call, but I think I have to go slight lean to proposal 2, it reveals more about her than does the current. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 17:26, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Comparing the quality between the shots, there is no image that is clearly better than the other. As such, it comes down to choosing a preferred expression. Proposal #1 is out due to her not being the immediate focus point due to the arm, and #2 only carries dept if you know the comics and know exactly what's going on. If you don't, you just see an awkward shot of a girl with her mouth wide open. As such, I still support the current. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:39, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Per LL, I support the current as well. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 21:03, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
I support the current. And to me, the proposed are of lower quality than the current. Lumoshi (talk)
Imo, even though the current image has lower quality than the other two, the image that depicts Niyok well isn't either between the proposals. Per LL, I support to stick to the current. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 17:18, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

Red Lotus

07-16-2014

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Better is the proposal because Zaheer's gang you can see the whole.In this picture are all members and therefore it seems better. On the current image, Ghazan can not be seen. Stella2013 (wall) 21:28, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 19:42, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

I support, though it would be better if Ghazan didn't have the captured person in his arms and if Ming-Hua wasn't caught mid air. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 20:20, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Both have their negatives, though I'm reluctant to support the proposal seeing as how Ghazan can be seen but with an individual slung over his shoulders. On top of that Ming-Hua looks very awkward and the oncoming piece of earth is not desirable for a profile image. I think the current is the least terrible option (from an already terrible selection) and it'd be best to stick with it until we get a better scene to choose images from. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:27, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
On the current image can be seen only Ming-Hua which make it look like the leader of the gang. On the proposal image I see all. I am for the proposal Czarnoksieznik z Angmaru123 11:20, July 17, 2014
The proposal is also zoomed in slightly so we can see the characters better. I know want Water Spout is saying but, like with how Zaheer's profile image change was, we have a selection of a bad bunch. We could just put it off until more episodes are released? Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 07:18, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Water Spout that Ming-Hua looks very awkward and then the rock or whatever it is heading for her is distracting. In other words, we're using a battle image for a profile pic, which isn't very appropriate. Ming-Hua shouldn't be in the middle of the air. The simplest solution, of course, is to do what Snivystorm proposed and wait for more episodes to be released. There will be plenty of opportunities in the next episode, which I think is premiering later today? Unless they decided to skip a week again.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 11:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
What I can see (and I believe you too) is taken from a 2 seconds-scene of a the Book 3 Trailer we had. I believe even in the trailer we have the full formation in one scene, I'll make sure we'll have more. As WS said, it'd be better if we wait until the preferable shot is aired. Current. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 15:46, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think either of the images are appropriate. In the current, Ghazan is essentially hidden from view, and having Ming-Hua's arm across the others like that is not all that great. Similarly, for the proposed, whilst Ghazan is in view, he has someone slung over his back, and there is a piece of earth in the corner, both of which are undesirable. So, to that end, I would support waiting for a better image to come along. HAMMEROFTHOR 23:43, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

In light of the new episodes, i think we should use an image of them sitting around the campfire after they escaped from RC. Unfortunately i can't upload one of those, so if anyone can, that'd be awesome. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 04:26, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

I added another proposal, a shot which I believe is the most inclusive of all four and most appropriate as a profile image. The quality is good even as a webrip and I'll replace it with an Amazon quality cap when the episode is released for sale. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 04:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Support the new one Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 05:20, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
Yep, the new proposal looks much better. HAMMEROFTHOR 09:55, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
Support.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 16:10, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal CrazyFretka 15:23, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
As there are two proposed replacements, please be more specific as to which one you are supporting. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:34, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Wei and Wing

07-19-2014

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The current image is highly pixelated and doesn't show the features of the twins very well. The proposal, while not the best image, is still better due to the lighting and clarity of the image. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 07:32, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 10:11, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
Support. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 11:53, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
Support the change, it way better in the proposal. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 12:30, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
Support per reasons given in proposal. HAMMEROFTHOR 15:58, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

P'Li

07-21-2014

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Better is the proposal because this photo is from the episode, better lighting and this is the constant appearance in the most recent episodes Stella2013 17:47, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Approved for discussion, but please remember to format it properly in the future - you were missing the {{/top}} and {{/bottom}} tags. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 16:09, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal is very better Czarnoksieznik z Angmaru123 18:23, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, it is better and more up to date plus it still keeps the same kind of facial shot. Not trying to be rude but it is "better" or "much better" not very ;) Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 16:44, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Agree with the proposal, but it seems a little fuzzy (could just be me). Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 18:07, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really like the proposal. Her expression is too intense. That's not what she looks like all the time, so it would be unrepresentative of her character to put that as the profile image. Secondly, I don't like the lighting effects of the camp fire on her face, nor do I like the awkward angle at which she's leaning forward.Lord Hyōga Water Tribe emblem Tree of Ages 22:59, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal is good :D Crazy Fretka 15:22, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal, as it shows her usual appearance rather than the ragged prison look. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:39, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Support the proposal, it reflects her character better than the desperate-like mimic in the current image. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:53, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Northern Air Temple

07-22-2014

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The rationale behind the change is very straightforward, the proposal is essentially the same image but depicts the location as it is in 171 AG, without the EK refugees or the smoke bellowing from the mechanical upgrades that were present back in 100 AG. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 22:56, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 23:02, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, it includes new renovations, matches the same time frame as the other air temples seen in legend of korra, and it doesn't have the distraction of the battle around it. --Tree_Climber 23:07, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
Err... I would support the proposal, only that I feel the image has to much clouds and is not focused enough on the actual temple. Could we get a second proposal that is cropped into a 333x250 ratio so the temple has more presence in the image. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 06:56, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I added the proposal, as was suggested. I'm fine with either to be honest, though I can understand the desire for Proposal 2 as it is more focused. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 07:07, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, now that's what I'm talking about! I support proposal #2. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 11:20, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #2, as it's more detailed. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:40, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Beginnings, Part 1

07-23-2014

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Better is the proposal because picture more refers to the title "Beginnings, part 1". Episode is the main theme get to know Raava. Photo shows the beginning avatar and his spirit. Stella2013 (wall) 11:50, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I disagree; the purpose of the "Beginnings" set is, as a whole, to explain the origins of the Avatar, and part one was to focus on the roots of the issue. Seeing Wan get his bending originally is a good starting point for that - if people don't know what's going on, that proposal could just be taken as running into some random spirit. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:06, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
As PSU had stated, #2 cannot represent the essence of that episode well. Although it's true that Raava is one of the major point of the episode, but the image doesn't show any of the beginning of the Avatar. Disagree. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 14:40, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Jinora

07-23-2014

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I've always found the current image very awkward, what with Jinora in mid-flight and the awkward angle. I believe the proposed depicts a very similar expression but at a more appropriate frontal angle, with Jinora's features more distinct. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 00:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 00:15, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I am with Water Spout. I would go with the propose photo. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 01:44, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I agree as well, the current photo is rather awkward. --Tree_Climber 03:20, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
I am with Water Spout Stella2013. 8:29, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
I support the proposal as well. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 06:47, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Bison rustlers

07-26-2014

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I just find Kai in the current image very distracting and I'm not fond of the rustlers' expression. The proposal is no means perfect, but I prefer having the leader shown (even if he is the only one shown) with the cages and the bison. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 23:45, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 01:11, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Bison rustler is not an airbender catcher, is it? ;-) AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 15:41, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Attempted kidnapping of Avatar Korra

07-28-2014

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Frankly, the current is not a good image, much less an infobox image. Ming-Hua covers most of the frame and you can barely see Korra. In the proposal, all of the criminals involved are clearly shown with a person slung over Ghazan's shoulder, which is far more befitting for the page. Since this is a page from the new episode, I'd like to try and make this an immediate change proposal, please. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 22:07, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I agree with the change. And for those who don't know what "immediate change proposal" entails: if in 24 hours, no one disagrees with the change, the proposal will be closed as opposed to waiting three days after the last opinion. If someone doesn't agree, the discussion will carry on for at least three days. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Nicholas Guest

07-31-2014

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The current is a poor-quality jpg file which is undersized and uncentered. There's not much else. GPFluteAvatar 14:50, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion (and wishing the one-day rule applied here). PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:54, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Ikki

07-31-2014

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The proposed is of good quality, better lit, has her smiling nicely without going over the top, no distractions in the background, and she stands up straight. The fact that she's looking at the side should not be a problem, considering how many characters (like Aang, Katara, and Sokka to name three main characters) that have an infobox image where they are looking sideways. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 10:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Support. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 10:38, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal is very good Stella2013 13:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to let this go through unopposed, at first, since I can obviously see what's wrong with the current, but I honestly just don't like the proposal because her expression seems too cartoonish to me. I wouldn't mind seeing some other proposal; I know she doesn't get much solo screen time, but hopefully there are some other good images out there. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 16:14, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Her expression really isn't much different than the current one, so why oppose on image that is overall a better representation of Ikki for an expression she has in both images? Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:37, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

That's a good question. Why would I oppose an image that's a better representation of Ikki for an expression she has in both images? That would obviously be silly and counterproductive. Contrarily, what I'm doing is opposing an image that's a semi-adequate representation of Ikki for an expression she doesn't have in the current. As I said, it's cartoonish. Her eyes, eyebrows, and mouth are all asymmetrical and her dimple is much more prominent in the proposal than in the current (too prominent), which makes it look pretty weird, in my opinion. Why not try to take my objection on the merits instead of mischaracterizing it? Obviously, I wouldn't oppose something without good reason. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 17:38, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
... Seriously, what's with the defensive attitude? There is no need to be so ... snappy about it. I obviously took you objection on its merits, your reasoning just didn't cut it in my opinion it as there is no big difference between the two expressions. So please, as opposed to automatically assuming that I disagree with and discard everything that you say, why not just assume that I have nothing against you, but whatever. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:37, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
"Why oppose on [sic] image that is overall a better representation of Ikki for an expression she has in both images?" This implies I had no reason to oppose it in the first place and I was doing it just for the heck of it. You can try to pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about, but your intent was clearly dismissive. As if I needed any more proof, "your reasoning just didn't cut it in my opinion." You have no right to decide what's good reasoning and what isn't. It's my opinion and I honestly don't care if it makes sense to you. If you don't want to find a better image and ignore my objection, that's perfectly fine. But leave out the personal attacks. I laid out very clearly why I opposed the image, so now there should be no more ambiguity. If you don't plan on continuing the discussion about the image, then just drop it or contact me on my talk page. Doing it here is pointless showboating. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 19:33, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
Sigh, no, it wasn't. Not at all even. And when making a decision, I have every right to find for me personally whether or not someone has truly made their case and speaking from a general discussion point of view, you should care whether your opinion makes sense to anyone else because the goal in a discussion is to convince the other party of your point which -needless to say- is a bit hard to do if your point doesn't make sense to them. And seriously, what personal attack did I make on you this time? Because honestly, I'm getting quite tired of you constantly accusing me of attacking you, not liking you, having a vendetta against you, etc. But you know what, if it makes you happy to believe all that, then you go right ahead, I seriously don't care at this point whether you believe me or not. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:40, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
No, sadly you don't have that right; what you think in your head is one thing. But as an administrator, I would expect you to conduct yourself a bit more professionally, and not make baseless accusations of bad faith. But all you seem to do is get into petty arguments and never seem to actually talk about what the issue is. Instead of talking about the image proposal, you continue to add fuel a pointless argument, which I politely requested that you to move to a talk page (message wall), where it belongs. Again, considering you're an administrator, I would expect you make maturer decisions. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 21:31, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of expression, the point is to look at the image as a whole. Her expression may or may not be worse in the proposal, but the centering of the character, better lighting, and overall more open feeling of the image is more desirable as a profile image. The first detail I notice beyond 'it's Ikki' is not her expression, but the blue sky behind her—something ordinarily established as going hand-in-hand with airbenders. For this reason, not even taking into account her expression, I support the change. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 02:54, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

True, I do like the background and lighting (in that it's brighter) in the proposal, but the lack of contrast on her face and the way it is darker than the background is also troubling for me. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 06:14, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Pai Sho

08-01-2014

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The proposed shows what seems to be the opening moves of the game. In general, the image is also of better quality, better lit, and provides a nicer overview. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:04, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:11, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
Support. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:17, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
Support. Much better view of the Pai Sho board and the pieces' starting positions. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 21:33, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Misty Palms Oasis

08-01-2014

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The reasoning is simple: Misty Palms Oasis has changed a lot over the years and the infobox should reflect it. However, I do think the old image should be kept somewhere on the page to give a visualization to the evolution. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:22, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and I agree. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 19:28, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
Support. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 21:32, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
Support --Tree_Climber 03:17, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Ghazan

08-08-2014

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While the proposal definitely isn't perfect as it is quite dark, I do feel that it is overall a superior image to the current one considering it is of higher quality, has no distractions cluttering the view, and shows Ghazan in a more natural -albeit dark- coloring. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:24, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:30, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't see the point. Why replace one bad image with another if we're just going to change it again in the coming episodes? --Mandon (wallcontribs) 22:54, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
Because we don't know whether or not there will be better images in the next episodes -look at Bolin: we've literally been waiting several books to get a good shot of him and it is still questionable- and the proposed is, while not perfect, qualitatively speaking better. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:10, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
I like the proposal a little more than the current image. Obviously, it isn't perfect, but it's a good alternative for now. Lucid☆Star 14:03, August 10, 2014 (UTC)
Support per the reasons given by Lady Lostris. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 16:06, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

I agree that neither the current or proposal aren't perfect, so I didn't see the harm in adding a second proposal that is also not perfect but at least worth considering. In the image, Ghazan is in an appropriate stance and is relatively at a similar distance to the camera as he is in the current. The background is distracting and the features are not as prominent as they are in the first proposal, but the lighting is slightly better. At the end of the day I would be fine with either proposal, so I vote on definitely changing the image and choose whichever the community ends up picking.

Edit: I also added a third proposal that has its own sets of pros and cons. Definitely good angle and prominent features, but like the current and the first proposal the lighting is not optimal (despite being slightly adjusted to begin with) and Zaheer is partially visible, much like in the current. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 07:17, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

The second proposal is better lit, no doubt about it, but the loss of quality and details bothers me more than the poor lighting in the other proposal. EDIT: as for the third proposal, I don't really feel like it truly captures Ghazan's personality: he looks sour and angry in the picture, whereas he is mostly shown as laid back and serious when he needs to be (and as already pointing out, it also reinstates a distraction). So my preference still goes to #1. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:11, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I think the next episode must give a better image that depicts him better. I'd go for #1 for now, as LL stated. He is not as hot-headed as Korra, is he? But I would love to choose another picture which is not simply 'black' in older PC monitor. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 10:26, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Per LL, proposal 2 is undetailed, just as bad as, if not worse than, the current, I would say. There's also a distracting dust cloud in the background. In proposal 3 he's hunched over, so his position is better in proposal 1. Overall, proposal 1 is better in most respects, except for lighting. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 14:26, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Zaheer

08-08-2014

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The current is heavily shadowed and at an awkward angle. The proposed fixes these problems. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 16:04, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and considering I was going to propose this myself as well, I wholeheartedly agree, though more for the reasons that the shot it straight up and better lit. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:41, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per reasoning given. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 16:44, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed with the proposed pic, lot better. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 21:00, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per reasons. It's much better. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 22:55, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
If there's ever been a textbook profile image, this is it. ― Thailog 00:05, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed with the proposed pic. Firetornado3006 (wall) 17:06, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Bolin

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The current image features Bolin sporting an awkward stance, as he has his head in his palm. The proposal eliminates this problem while also displaying a sincere-looking shot of Bolin, coinciding with his personality. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 16:08, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

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I disagree. While Bolin may be depicted in a semi-awkward angle, the proposed depicts him with an awkward expression. The current depicts him as he is: a happy-go-lucky dreamer, whereas his expression in the proposed makes him look like he is about to cry or something, which is very much undesirable as an infobox image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:41, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
I don't particularly like the current — Bolin's hand is distracting and his face looks very... pierrot. But that said, the current isn't much better. His face looks like it's mid-expression and at like Lostris said, at least the current shows his personality well. So oppose for now.Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 21:36, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Well, the second proposal is more of a "what do we find the least distracting": Bolin's hand or Pabu on his shoulder. So I'm just tossing it out there as an option. I'm fine with either the second proposal or the current one, as they both depict his personally rather well. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:03, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

I actually kind of like Pabu on his shoulder since I feel like Pabu is kind of Bolin's sidekick therefore important to his character. It also is a nice clean shot of Bolin. (although for some reason when you click on the image it shows a weird sprite-y image? i think that's just a wikia bug though) Support! :) Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 18:53, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
Don't mind the issue of clicking the image, that's a cache issue: there was previously a fanon art image named "Bolin and Pabu", which I renamed to make room for this image, but due to the cache being a little slow, the server hasn't caught up to the new version. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 18:56, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
Oh okay thanks it just confused me a lil bit haha.Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 18:59, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
Support for Proposal 3. Better lighting, better angle, and Pabu is a nice touch too. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 22:57, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
I'm in favor of proposal 3. That is a very good pose for Bolin, and Pabu being there is natural, instead of a distraction. Lucid☆Star 14:06, August 10, 2014 (UTC)
I support the one with pabu.Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 03:33, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, per the above. Pabu actually is a good feature, I think. They're close and usually Pabu is with Bolin anyway. Unlike the current and proposal one, he has a good expression and he's in an upright position. The image is also well-lit and has a nice background. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 04:30, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I support changing it to the #2 proposed replacement. ⇷Josephyr (Wall / Contributions)01:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Zuko

08-11-2014

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The proposed image shows Zuko as he currently appears in the series as opposed to his current icon that is him 70 years ago. It's also of very good lighting and shows Zuko perfectly. Fancy Waterbender (wallcontribs) 01:54, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I don't think it is necessary, however, to change the profile image just because he has appeared older. We've been able to stick with ATLA-era images of characters from the original Team Avatar and I don't see why it should change now. Plus, the current works well because it shows Zuko at a pivotal moment in the struggle that defined him and also how we know him.
In the future, also, please don't remove the sample proposal. You are supposed to copy yours below it. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 02:18, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I support the notion of replacing A:TLA images with more recent canonical appearances; however, I'm not much of a fan of this particular image. I think the one from episode 2 where he talks to Desna and Eska would probably be a better alternative until maybe a better one shows up. He's going to be in future episodes, so one is bound to show up. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 04:29, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I also support the notion of updating the photos of the original characters from ATLA, or at least adding tabs.. but I agree, there are better photos of old Zuko out there. --Mandon (wallcontribs) 08:01, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Hmm ... I'm a bit in dubio about replacing ATLA character representations in the infoboxes for their older selves from ATLA, since the infobox is meant to represent the character as they are best know, personality and appearance. That said, it is clear that "best known" is just a matter of perspective and as such, there is definitely something to be said about adding tabs, as I do not feel like it is a good move to outrightly discard a teenage representation -how they were known for an entire series- in favor of an elderly representation in a series where they have a minor to discardable role. As such, I still support the current image over an elderly representation for now. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:09, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Lostris; Characters that primarily appeared in A:TLA should keep the image from their series because they appeared more as their teen selves than they have as their elderly selves (or in Iroh's case, alive self over spirit self). Zuko is also more of a main character for A:TLA than he is in LOK so it should really stay with whichever series he has appeared the most in. As of now, we should just stick with the more well known versions of these characters rather than updating them to current time. AdamantiumBladez (wallcontribs) 09:51, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Per LL, KFB, and Adamantium. He's main character of the original series, and we don't change picture to a lesser-known representation of Zuko. We can add his older picture in the article, can't we? ;-) AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 10:26, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I also don't think that it is necessary to "update" this image, as he is best known as teenager, not as old man. The current one fits best. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 11:37, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not entierly up with replacing the current with the proposal, however, if this wiki were to add in tabs in the infobox to show the difference between characters during a timeskip/shows (similar to what the Naruto wiki and Attack on Titan wiki do for characters and their manga counterparts [see here[1] ]), then I'd be all for that. --Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 13:55, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Soren and Mandon; I admit I hadn't considered tabs, but as Soren says, they do this on other sites, particularly anime-related wikis, where there is a significant jump in time during the series, or between seasons, etc. Adding tabs would be an easy, aesthetic way to incorporate characters' more recent appearances without compromising their "original" look that people who haven't watched Legend of Korra might not be as familiar with. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 14:19, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
We have a discussion ongoing about tabs here; feel free to add your opinions. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:21, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Disagree. old zuko really hasn't shown up enough in the series, i think, to warrant a profile picture change. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 12:44, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

He's appeared in 4 episodes thus far, and is only likely to continue to appear more often, so I think it's safe to say he's a fairly important character in the series now. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 19:01, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
Yes he appeared in four episodes of T:LoK. But it doesn't mean he is main part of the series. We are discussing about the two-tabs infobox image, thus I believe the current image should stay. If the two-tabs feature will be used, the proposal can be the second infobox image. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 05:20, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
May I ask, then, under the circumstances, you would say the cutoff is before a character becomes a "major" part of the series? Five, six, twelve? By your own estimate, none of the characters deserve updated images, since Zuko, having appeared the most out of any of the original Team Avatar (except maybe Katara, who I believe has appeared one additional time), deserves none? Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 06:19, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I've mistaken categorizing Zuko: He is not the major character of A:TLA, instead, he is the main character. To me, a character becomes a "main" part of the series when the character develops in the series, involved in the main plot with big role. It doesn't matter the quantity of appearances, but I believe being a main character should have been in the whole series. Which one will you choose: "major" character representative or "main" character representative? The current image depicts Zuko better than the proposed; people easily notice that is Zuko, while a newcomer who hasn't watch the latest book will wonder who the old guy is—speculative. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 05:14, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
At the same time, newer fans who have not watched the first series (believe it or not, these people exist) will not recognize Zuko by his earlier appearance. And the only main character in the series is Korra, so the particular verbiage I think doesn't matter. Whether or not he is a major character or not does. In the latest episode, he had a conversation with Korra that I think was important for her development, though maybe not his, not that he needs any to be a major character, in my view. He's still very intimately connected to the plot of the season, so clearly his new appearance is highly relevant. Toph is important for the development of Lin and Su, and Katara had important roles in both Korra's and Tenzin's character development as well, as did Aang. The only person who didn't, so far, was Sokka. But he seems to have been marginalized by the series creators. I also think your requirement that in order for characters to be important they have to have appeared throughout the series is a little too restrictive. By this logic, Unalaq and Amon are not important, but Pabu and Naga are, even though they have little impact on the plot and no spoken lines. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 05:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the image should be changed to 'old Zuko'. We have, what, four episodes of LoK versus the three seasons of ATLA, so that point of 'he's a main/major character' seems moot. He will always have more of a presence in ATLA. And yes, some people have not seen ATLA, but from my experience, people will always take a look at the rest of a fandom's universe if they love it enough—Serenity/Firefly, the numerous Star Treks, Star Wars/Clone Wars. If people like one version enough, they'll be inclined to look at the other versions. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 05:50, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Lord Hyōga: From my perspective, Zuko's character isn't developing in T:LoK, that's what I meant. And as I've stated, "...a character becomes a "main" part of the series when the character develops in the series, involved in the main plot with big role." which means the characters should give bigger impact than the major characters, and then the second qualification will be applied. By the way, now I think this argument is no use, as we are currently discussing about the usage of two-tabs infobox image. If we change the old Zuko image as profile picture, and the two-tabs infobox is practiced on this wiki, then the current image will be added too. If it ain't broke, why we fix it? ^^" AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 06:12, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
Because at the rate things are going, the tabs will not be implemented. Momentum is quickly shifting in the opposite direction, with the original plan being stalled due to "testing" which may or may not occur in the indeterminable future, and a growing amount of people coming out in outright opposition to it. Therefore, we are back where we started.
Also, as an addendum to Fruipit, assuming people will watch A:TLA because they like LoK is very speculative; there's no way to no for sure. So it would be prudent, in my mind, to appeal to the newer fanbase, which is active and growing. And to flip the opposition's argument: the younger version of Zuko would still be represented by images in the article, so there should be no problem. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 06:26, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
The older images of Zuko are present in the article, so there's not problem for that, either. As I said, three seasons of ATLA vs. 4 episodes of LoK, I'm not convinced that we need to change it. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 06:38, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
I just think the opposite way, LH. But this doesn't mean I offend you, hehehe. For example, I believe people would rather remember the image of Simba in the original film to his appearance in Kingdom Hearts. Although the game comes after the original film, but most people recognize Simba in the original film, not in the game. This might apply to this case, too. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 06:40, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
Fruipit, I think these are separate issues: number of appearances versus canonical relevancy. Whether he appeared more often young or not, the question is do we think that younger audiences of the current series would be more familiar and comfortable with his more recent appearance. And AcerEvan, I'm not familiar with Disney canon, but I would hazard a guess and say that most people don't consider Kingdom Hearts as being canonically compatible with the Lion King series. So that would be comparing apples to oranges. Lord Hyōga Spirit Emblem Tree of Ages 06:46, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think they're separate issues. If the question is, "do we think that younger audiences of the current series would be more familiar and comfortable with his more recent appearance", well, no, probably not. Again, 4 episodes vs 3 seasons (so, more screen time). There were also a large merchandising campaign for the original series and this version of Zuko has not been promoted. New series are always going to have people who haven't seen the old series, but the vast majority will have seen 16 year old Zuko and will know who he is. On the flipside, I know quite a number of people who gave up on Korra after the first season, and therefore the old version of Zuko is only recognisable due to his scar. I don't support changing the image for these reasons. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 06:55, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
(EC) Your reasoning is acceptable, although can you guess that Simba has appearance in Lion King 1 1/2 which is a prequel of the story? Yes, he does but people will easily know Simba with his older body-in this case, his main character-appearance. What I'm going to say is, just I've stated, this wiki is an Avatar franchise wiki, not only the Legend of Korra nor the original series. But when something has more important role in the sequel, then we use it. When the most important role is in the original series, we use the original one. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 06:58, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Rejected proposals

This proposal has been rejected, because same image has been shot down a month ago.

Zaheer

07-27-2014

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I think it speaks for itself. Current image is at an angle while he's fighting and this one is frontal with a good view of his face. Lighting could be a problem but I'll be on the lookout for more options. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M4ND0N (wallcontribs) 8:41, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

This proposal has been rejected, because it is not because something goes for A that is necessary goes for B. Also, there is no "precedent" of the elderly image being passed and there is talk about tabs as opposed to an outright replacement. Since Aang is currently dead and Korra doesn't even have a connection to him anymore, we cannot say that his adult representation is the best known and accurate representation of him.

Aang

08-11-2014

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Since there's a precedence with a LoK image of Zuko being proposed as a replacement, I figured we could do one for Aang. These are currently the only adult images of him available that don't show him frowning, and in my opinion the first one represents his personality perfectly. Upside to proposal 2 is that it depicts him as he appeared before his death, and there's far more detail, but the image quality is poor due to the fog, so I'm for proposal 1. Discuss --Mandon (wallcontribs) 8:14, August 11, 2014‎ (UTC)