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Approved proposals

Harmonic Convergence

11-26-2013

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While the Beginnings art is beautiful, the fact is that the image clashes in style with the other images used in the article. Also, as seen in the episode, the main change indicators of Harmonic Convergence being in effect are the color change of the sky and the portals, neither of which is clearly seen in the current image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:04, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 01:49, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the change. Although I think the art for the origins special is fantastic, the proposal is much more appropriate for use as a profile image. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 03:13, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Yes the art style is slightly different, but I don't think it clashes inappropriately with the two other images on the page. Additionally, as I mentioned before, I feel an image that actually depicts the two portals converging works better as a profile image than one that is essentially just a glowing arc. HAMMEROFTHOR 08:41, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
Per Thor, I disagree as well. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 13:39, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
HammerOfThor, that is just another reason for the proposal. Harmonic Convergence is in effect when the portals are fully converged, not when they're in the process of becoming so. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:08, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused. There dosent seem to be any difference between the two images. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 15:11, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
To provide an image reference, the current right now translates to this, which is before Harmonic Convergence where the portals have not yet fully overlapped and the skies have not changed as a result of the influx of spiritual energy. The proposal, like Omni said, showcases both of those indicators. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 15:16, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
Erm, they both look identical to me, I don't see any Beginnings art in the current. I tried ?action=purge but they still looks the same. What I am seeing. Srijay K - TechFilmer 15:27, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I had mistakenly uploaded the new image as a new revision of the old image, like it was done with the planetary alignment image. It had escaped me that the image was the main, and that it had to go through PIC. Because of the weird cache problem that has been going on the past few weeks, you're seeing the same image. To see the actual current image, check the article or the file directly. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:38, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, now I see it. All righty, I am in full support per above. Srijay K - TechFilmer 15:46, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
In that case, I agree with the change. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 16:33, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I've added a second proposal, taken from the HC episode itself, which uses the usual art style, but still depicts the moment of convergence as the current does. Depicting the two portals at the point they merge does, I think, work better as a profile image than one in which the fact there are two portals is somewhat lost. HAMMEROFTHOR 18:16, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Proposal #2 definitely ought to be on the page somewhere as it clearly shows what exactly happens during Harmonic Convergence by clearly outlining that it are the two spirit portal light beams that connect. However, as pointed out, while I do like the current image and #2 because of the dynamic showed as opposed to it just being a golden semi-circle, the golden circle is the most factually correct. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:24, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Tossing in a third option I just came across. It is actually when Korra is fusing when Raava again, though due to them being at the top, it gives the same effect as would be if the spirit portals would connect. As such, the image seems to be a compromise between the current and the first proposal: it is taken during the actual Harmonic Convergence and as such has the darkened sky and all, though it also draws the attention to the top where the two portals would connect, and as such it is not "just a golden semi-circle". Since it is also an image from the last episode, Vaatu is no longer visible as a red dot in the Tree of Time. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 01:58, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

I do see Omni's point as well as HoT's point, and I think this proposal is an ideal middle-ground. I like the third option the most. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 02:10, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

The Blue Spirit

11-30-2013

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The current image is the ideal depiction of the Blue Spirit, though it does not a very good job at representing the episode further than just depicting the titular character. The proposed still has the focus on the Blue Spirit, though by showing Aang and a Fire Nation soldier in the background as well as the Blue Spirit in a fighting stance, it gives a better impression of what the episode was about: the Blue Spirit saving Aang from the Fire Nation. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:45, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:36, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
Support. Not much more to add to what Lostris has already said. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 22:40, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
Since it's about the episode, support. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 23:06, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Support as per LL.SukitheNinja Suki Sprite 16:24, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the image needs to be changed, but right now since Zuko is in all black he blends in with the background a little too well and it makes it a bit had to understand what is going on. I support, but is it possible a better image could be picked? Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 00:36, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
That doesn't seem much of an issue when the image is enlarged to infobox proportions. Idk, I actually just looked at the images that were already on the wiki and picked one of them as opposed to searching for a new one in the episode. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 00:39, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, ok, that seems fair, I didn't really check with it enlarged. ^^ Fire Pabu Sprite Ferret 06:38, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Canyon crawler

12-02-2013

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The proposal does a better job at portraying the canyon crawler overall: it gives a good view of its body, head, legs, and proportions. It is also of good lighting and quality. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:24, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:36, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
I've always been bothered by the current. I think the proposal is fantastic. Support. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 21:12, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm with Water Spout on this one, support! SukitheNinja Suki Sprite 00:14, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
Support. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 18:36, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Equalist airship

12-16-2013

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I would like to propose a new profile image for the Equalist airship. The reasons are fairly simple, as the proposal has much better angle and lightning, while it also shows many airships above Republic City during their most important engagement. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 22:16, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 22:24, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. The angle on the current isn't amazing, and the proposed definitely gives a much better overall depiction of the airship. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:45, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
I give the proposed my support. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 23:07, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Toph Beifong

12-30-2013

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I see the appeal of the current in that it showcases Toph's tough demeanor, but it depicts her from an odd angle (causing awkward shadowing on her face and attracting too much focus on her fist) as well as in battle gear she did not typically wear. The proposal is far more pleasing aesthetically, and I think it still does a great job of portraying Toph's character as a whole. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 03:24, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The Ultimate Waterbender 03:29, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I approve of this change SO MUCH. Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 05:22, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I'd have to agree with Water Spout on the points mentioned. The current picture isn't representative of how Toph looks even after the Day of Black Sun (when other members of Team Avatar experience a permanent clothing change), while the proposal matches how she looks throughout the series, with the exception of the first half of Season 3. It also places her face front and center, without the awkward angle of the current, as well as showing her Earth Kingdom headband and her usual hairbun, which the current fails to do. It depicts her in her "waiting and listening" capacity, which is as essential to a proper depiction of her character (but which isn't depicted in the current) as her toughness (which the proposed doesn't completely fail to do, I think). Toph's Fanboy Read My Fanon! http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv319/flutflutflyer/TokkaSpriteSig.png 06:05, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I don't oppose the proposal, but Toph comes across as maybe too neutral in that image for me. I do agree it's better than the current, but a bit more expression wouldn't hurt. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:54, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I oppose the proposal. I don't think the current's angle is really that bad. I believe the current also shows a better expression of her while I believe, like Omnibender said, that the proposed shows Toph with a very neutral expression. I think the current shows Toph's tough personality due to her expression and pose. I like having the main picture show the personality of the character so I believe the current should stay. FirebenderAzula Azula sprite23 20:35, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
The angle itself isn't the problem, it's what it causes that looks unappealing. Why have half of her face shadowed when there is a better alternative where that isn't the case? And furthermore the current is a mid-action shot, with her fists clenched and positioned in an awkward manner. That is hardly aesthetically appealing. When it comes to capturing her personality, it's not reasonable to say that Toph is always tough. Though I do agree that her expression is neutral in the proposal, it is not an inaccurate portrayal of her character; Toph does not march around grimacing or looking like she's about to kill someone, she walks with a blank expression. "Listening and waiting" is the whole reason she was even introduced, and the proposal more effectively portrays that, along with her expression for most of the time, as opposed to an interpretation of her inner personality. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:49, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Penguin sledding

01-02-2014

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This is a minor tidbit, but it somewhat annoys me how the penguin in the current image has its eyes closes, sort of giving off the impression that it's hurt or isn't enjoying it. The proposal doesn't have that. One can also mention that the proposal predominantly features Katara, a Water Tribe person, thus emphasizing that it's something done at the Water Tribes. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:21, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 16:34, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. The proposed is definitely a better image. HAMMEROFTHOR 16:39, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Otter penguin

01-02-2014

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The proposed shows a nice overview of the entire colony in their natural habitat without any distractions in the form of characters. I added the second proposal in case people thought the first one was too far off. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 15:05, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion, and I do prefer #2 as it is more centered on the colony. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 16:34, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
Same here. #1 does feel a little too far out, whereas #2 gives a much better view. HAMMEROFTHOR 16:39, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Ta Min

12-30-2013

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I feel like the current image is set at too drastic an angle. We can barely see the features on the subject's face. Another note is that, due to the time of day, there is severe shadowing that I don't think is desirable. I think that, while the current image is of the woman as a younger person, it is still preferred due to the angle and lighting. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 03:11, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 19:33, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
Hum, I still rather have her as an old lady. It's not such a terrible angle. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:54, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I support the proposal. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 22:09, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I support the proposed also. Though I would prefer a picture where she was older, like the current, since we know her as Roku's wife, the current just doesn't show her well due to the angle. I like that the proposed shows a much better picture of her so I'd choose the new picture. FirebenderAzula Azula sprite23 20:26, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
I'm with Omni, I don't think the lighting/angle is that much of a problem to be honest. While it may not be 100% ideal, I still prefer it better than just jumping back to her teenage years. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 16:34, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not in favor of the angle, as it is quite terrible. However, I am of the opinion that Ta Min should be portrayed as an old lady since we only know her as the wife of Roku, someone we only know as an old man. Having an image of a young girl be the wife of an old man is just creepy. As such, I support the current. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:18, January 3, 2014 (UTC)


I added two more photos I thought we could use. They are both of her at her wedding which I think is more ideal since her main role is as Roku's wife. I personally prefer #2 since it is more close up. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 19:07, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

I removed one of your proposals as it was of insufficient quality and would not have made the cut if it had been the initial proposal. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:27, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
I'd have to go with either proposal 1 or 2, since the current dosen't show off her face all too well. Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 06:57, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Gyatso

1-3-2014

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The proposed one shows Gyatso in a more brighter setting, giving off a more friendlier impression -and we do know Gyatso as having been a happy, friendly monk. There are also no distracting light beams. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:38, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. That background is rather off-putting so...support. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:46, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I find the current very unappealing, the proposal is a far more welcoming and appropriate profile image for Gyatso. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:49, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Agree per Water Spout. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 12:56, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
Ditto. ― Thailog 12:59, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
I also support this. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 23:57, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Yakone

1-4-2014

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The current has a couple problems. It is lit differently because it is a flashback. It has a semi-distracting background with the extras in the background including a clear shot of Aang. But I feel the worst aspect of that image is that is uses Yakone's old face, which is outdated as of the season one finale. The proposed is a clear shot of Yakone from after his surgery which does not contain a distracting background with any other characters. And while it does contain partial shadow on his face, this does suit Yakone's villainous tendencies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 00:09, January 4, 2014

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 12:31, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, so long as it is made bigger. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 12:57, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Quite on the contrary, the reason I don't like this image is precisely because it's his face after surgery. If might be "outdated", but pre-surgery is the face he had during most of his appearances, the one he had when he was at his most prominent as a crime boss. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:38, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
I think the problem is the question in what way Yakone is remembered most; as the crime boss or Amon and Tarrlok's father. I all honesty, for me it's the latter and the lightning of the current also somewhat bothers me, so I support the proposal. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 16:43, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
As per DFT, a case can be made for either "most memorable role" for Yakone. So therefore, it comes down for me to the best image quality wise, as all the other arguments are in my opinion subjective. Image wise, the fact that the current is lit differently due to it being a flashback is irrelevant as that does not show. The lighting is only perceived to be different due to people knowing it's a flashback. And also, "different" does not have to mean "bad". The lighting in the proposed is bad to say the least as it is a shot during a snowstorm at nightfall, making the overall image very dark, which, when put in the size of the infobox, only worsens. The background in the current could indeed be perceived as distracting, though personally, I find the fact that Yakone squints in the proposed way more distracting. As such, I support the current as it provides for more visibility of Yakone overall. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:49, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
I support the current proposal. It is more updated since it shows him with his new face and in the most recent episode. However, I feel as if it should be resized in order to get a better view of his face. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 17:59, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

I choose to stick with the current one, as I've heard more references to the "bloodbending crime lord" Yakone than "Noatak and Tarrlok's father" Yakone; it also portrays how Yakone really looked, regardless of being "outdated" in a sense. There are also enough images on the article that show the changes to his face after plastic surgery in the "After Republic City" section. nucl3arsnake (talk) 03:01, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with LL; based strictly on the image quality, I would say the current provides a clearer picture of Yakone, as the proposed lacks the necessary lighting to depict him well enough. Korra Sprite-01ZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 17:43, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Haru's mother

1-8-2014

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The proposed is basically the same melancholic expression, but more close up and in better lighting. The second one is just to provide another close up option, though I prefer the first one as I personally prefer a slight upwards angle as opposed to a slight downwards one. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:57, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Hm, I do favor PR1 a bit more; PR2 almost seems like she's glaring in anger rather than melancholic. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:59, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
I like P1 better, it's a better image overall. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 14:55, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Imprisoned

1-8-2014

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The episode was mainly about Katara inspiring the earthbenders to fight back and I feel the proposed better represents that storyline than the current. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:57, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:59, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
I agree, the current image is one of my favorites but the proposed suits the episode far better. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 14:55, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
I also support this. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 22:54, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
Not much to add, but I concur, for the same reasons LL gave. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 02:03, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Cabbage merchant

1-12-2014

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The images are pretty similar in the emotion displayed, though in the proposed he at least has his eyes open, which is always a plus for an infobox image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 20:09, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 20:36, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
Support per Lostris. Although, his mouth hanging open is (slightly) distracting. -PreservationsWings 20:39, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
Support per LL, and I think the open mouth is so noticeable only because the pictures are so similar and it looks like a "spot the difference" thing, so in the article it should not pose a problem.Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 22:26, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
Support as well for the change. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 23:51, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree. It's a little akward and as people have said, shows his mouth open. It also doesn't quite show his love of cabbages, as he is best known. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 22:04, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
The "awkward" open mouth is a loving smile at his cabbage, which thus perfectly represents his love for cabbages. Though in any case, while it is important that an infobox image shows a characters traits, the most important thing is the representation of the person, meaning a clear facial shot with their eyes open. In this case, if the picture can represent his love for cabbages as well, sweet, but the focus needs to be on the cabbage merchant as a man, and not as a cabbage lover. That said, his love is still represented in the proposed, so I don't see an issue with that. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:55, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Hai-Riyo Peak

1-13-2014

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Basically the same image, though the proposed shows more of the surroundings of the mountain, giving it a more wider feeling as opposed to being a squished rock. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:25, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 21:31, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal. It is a much grander representation and far more appealing aesthetically. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 00:43, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

I support. A much better interpretation. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 22:06, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Jeong Jeong

1-16-2014

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While the peaceful looking Order of the White Lotus Jeong Jeong is also part of who he is, I do not feel like it is the best representation of who he is. He is more serious than that, and I feel like the proposal better captures that side of him. Also, the current image is heavily altered since that was a shot at night, which is bordering an image copyright protection infringement. If there is another suitable shot available, we should avoid using such altered images. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:33, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 12:27, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
Full support. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 12:30, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Tree of Time

1-18-2014

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Essentially proposing for the same reason as Hai-Riyo Peak. The image is less stretched and as such appears more aesthetically pleasing. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 07:09, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 07:14, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Support, per proposal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:21, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

I support. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 16:07, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Paul Nakauchi

1-18-2014

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The proposed is of a better size and of better overall quality. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:33, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion, and I agree. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 10:46, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
The current does look very blurry. Proposed is definitely of a better quality. HAMMEROFTHOR 11:55, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
Support, for the same reasons. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 14:08, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Northern Air Temple

1-18-2014

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The proposed image is a cleaner shot of the temple with a less busy background. It does not have a tiny war balloon in the corner, which is also a plus. However, the smoke plumes could be seen as being distracting, but since they're due to the mechanist's "improvements" to the temple, they're canonically correct as being the last known, most up to date representation of the temple. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 13:04, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 13:57, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Opposed. I find the balloon to be much less distracting than the smoke plumes. I don't think that the temple had the smoke plumes constantly did they? Anyway, I also think that the coloring in the current image is better than it is in the proposal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:21, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

It did, actually. I went through the entire episode to fix the images and the shot with the balloon is the only shot of the temple without the smoke plumes -thus making is quite OOC for the temple to not have them. In regards to the coloring, it needs to be said that the coloring in the proposed is the temple's natural coloring, and the one in the current shot is the temple's coloring while nearing sunset. Though what I find most distracting in the current image is the cloud to the right of the temple. It's the first thing I always see when I look at the image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 14:26, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

I support the proposal. As I review the current image, the cloud is far distracting than the smoke plumes, and as LL stated, "I went through the entire episode to fix the images and the shot with the balloon is the only shot of the temple without the smoke plumes [...]" AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 08:20, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

We could always "explain" the smoke plumes in the image hover by emphasizing that it are smoke plumes from all the technical alterations the mechanist made and not the temple being on fire. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:53, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Tarrlok

1-18-2014

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The current is very dark, which is not very desirable as an inbox photo. The proposed fixes that. In addition, the proposed shows Tarrlok's aggressiveness when getting people to agree with him, such as with the council in episode four where the image comes from, as well as Korra in episode eight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 23:27, January 20, 2014

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:45, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

I added Proposal 2 as it accomplishes the task of having a more well-lit image, but also provides a better view of Tarrlok and does not depict him as having a wider build than he actually has, as the first proposal does. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 05:40, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

I support #1, as the second proposal doesn't show his character. AcerEvan ( Contributions · Zuko EK Fugitive) 08:20, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
I strongly oppose both proposals, as the current shows his cunning, "dark" side that was his most notable trait during the series. The first proposal lets him just look angry, while the second is far too neutral, imo. DyingFlameTsui (wallcontribs) 08:49, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
I'm with DFT. While the current one isn't in the most optimal lighting, it does show Tarrlok with an optimal facial expression and thus is the best character representation. The lighting isn't that horrible that we should settle for a lesser representation. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:51, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Makapu Village

1-19-2014

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I think you should consider this picture because shows more of the village includeing the forest surrounding Makapu, the gates leading into the village, the mountain and the mountain path which hasn't been destroyed by the eruption. The image is also a lot more detailed and distinct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone667 (wallcontribs) 07:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion (however, I did take liberty to changing the image to a more current one and one of better quality, which means some changes, as the gateway is no longer visible). Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:49, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Spirit water

01-26-2014

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I propose we switch the places of the two images involved as the current image doesn't even show water. It's just a vial that -if not for the caption- could contain anything. Spirit water is most renowned for its special healing abilities and the proposed image focuses better on that by showing a small blob of water being readied to be used for healing. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:17, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 23:27, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I am in favor of the proposed per LL's reasoning. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 03:09, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Support, per proposal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:53, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

I agree. The current image does not show the water's properties. But my concern is that people will not realize that it's water. I associate the Spirit Water with the vial. So I say that we should at least leave the image of the vial on the page near the top, so it is visible, too. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 21:24, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

That's why I suggested to switch the places of both images. Move the water up to be the profile image and the image of the vial down to the history section where the other image is now situated. And in any case, I hope we can assume that people visiting a page called "spirit water" have enough common sense to assume a glowing blob in the first image they see to be an image of the spirit water. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:28, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
I dunno about this. I mean, the vial indicates that it's special, but the super glowing glob of water kinda does that as well. But from what I remember, water glows whenever you're using it to heal (meaning that it can be any old glob of water), which is what Katara is doing with the spirit water. So I guess I'm against the change. Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 01:55, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
I also am conflicted on this one. As soren pointed out, the proposed could just be regular water. pakku said however, that the vial contained spirit water, and fans will probalby remember that more than the pic of katara holding glowing water. i'm going to vote against for now. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 06:19, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
"the proposed could just be regular water" --> not when it is the first image on a page called "spirit water". It is quite interesting to see that the opposing reason is basically "I don't think people will make the connection between the blob of healing water and spirit water (even though it's on the page "spirit water" and it is the only instance healing water glowed while spinning above the hand as opposed to coating it) so I support the current as I think that people will make the connection between a vial -that has nothing to do with water if the caption didn't say that it contained spirit water or was used on the spirit water page- and spirit water (even though the blob was used to revive Aang, which is also a pretty iconic moment)." So you see, you both are opposing the proposal based on an assumption that people will not make the connection for one image, but are banking that they do for the other image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 08:09, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

imo, it's not a huge deal, but i think we should just stick with the status quo, even though it seems the majority wishes to change it anyway. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 09:15, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see the big ruckus about the possibility that the proposed could just be of regular water when it can easily be determined that it wasn't, as has been pointed out by LL. Why wouldn't you want to have that on the article? Just because of such a small risk - and really, how can people not remember what happened in 220 - that people think it is regular water? I support the proposed. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 14:17, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Chong

01-27-2014

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Chong is a very go-with-the-flow character, though I find the fact that his profile image depicts him with closed eyes immensely distracting. The current one fixes that. A downside of that image is, though, that Chong isn't entirely centered, but I find that to be less of an annoyance than the eyes. Due to it being slightly more up close, the proposed also sports more details as can be seen with his hair. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:03, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 21:18, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

I agree as per Lady Lostris. TheBigO Fan Bolin sprite Be the leaf 21:39, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

I prefer the second one, as well. I think Chong's eyes are a very important part of his appearance and the second one displays that very well. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 02:02, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed per LL. -Katarasprite1AvatarKyaAzula-end-c6
agreed. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 06:19, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

The Cave of Two Lovers

01-28-2014

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The current isn't necessarily bad, though without the knowledge of the story, that they're going to trust love and whatever, it is just an image of Aang and Katara staring at each other. The proposed on the other hand shows an image of the sculpture of Oma and Shu, the creators of the Cave of Two Lovers, kissing with Aang and Katara standing before it. As such, I feel it shows more of the storyline of the episode since the "curse" was a recurring theme throughout the episode. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 11:19, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 13:50, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Support, per proposal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:32, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with LL. The proposed image represents the cave much better. -Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 17:37, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
This proposal isn't about the cave, it's about the imagebox picture for the episode, "The Cave of Two Lovers". Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 17:40, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Tarrlok

02-01-2014

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I know that we have just finished a debate on Tarrlok's profile image, but I truly do not think the current suits a profile image, as it is very dark and hard to see. The reason we had kept the current is because it best suits his character (the sly smile). The proposed still contains a similar smile, but is much better lighted.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 08:15, February 1, 2014

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:29, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
I disprove of the current proposal, as his facial features are a bit too scrunched up. --Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 15:13, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
I completely agree with the proposal. The lighting is much better, and we can actually see the smug grin on his face. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 15:17, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
I also agree. It is the exact same expression as the current, but with a less awkward posture and far better lighting. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 18:25, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
I don't know. His face looks a bit awkward in the proposal, and his mouth is scrunched up a bit, per what Soren said. Plus, I like the dark effect - almost as if to hint at his dark side we ultimately saw in Book 1. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 18:29, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

On the contrary, I believe the brighter lighting is precisely why it better suits his character. The current shows a sinister grin coupled with dark lighting, leading to the belief the Tarrlok is a dark character all around. The proposed, in contrast, maintains the grin while simultaneously putting Tarrlok in a "better light." This symbolizes Tarrlok having sinister motives while under the guise of a helpful/beneficial member of the council, which fits Tarrlok's character to a tee. DrDman20000 (wall contribs) 21:14, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

i disagree with the proposal, per psu. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 19:41, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree with the proposal, per PSU. Plus, in the prop, his head is upturned, making him look down on the viewer. I don't think that fit Tarrlok. If anything, he looked at someone directly. - The Snowbold (wallcontribs) 05:39, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

I definitely see reasons to disagree with the change, but I do firmly believe that the proposal is far better than the current in terms of depicting Tarrlok, so I just wanted to address a few points that have been brought up (in an attempt to maybe convince you guys to rethink your positions :P).

Although there is a slight distortion in his facial features, I believe it's less distracting than distortions in the current. Notably, his posture severely shortens his character and makes him look disproportionate for several reasons, the awkward hunch make his shoulders appear far broader than they actually were, and the collar not only eliminates any neck he has (making him look even more disproportionate), it emphasizes and squares his chin, which I find rather distracting.

With regards to representation in terms of positioning and lighting, the "upturned" nature of his stance is far better for his character. In film, showing a character bottom-up and generally from a higher perspective is done to evoke that character's domineering personality and general power position. For a majority of Tarrlok's character arc, he was shown as a power player in a government position that seemed to revolve around his own views, he manipulated others into doing his bidding, and he was viewed upon as an all-around power holder in Republic City. Showing him in darkness not only obscures details but suggests that he is entirely bad in nature, which he wasn't, while the lighting in the proposal is far more aesthetically appealing and allows the expression to denote his character. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 07:20, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

I haven't a clue how to upload a photo, so i found this http://hdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/korra/106/0149.jpg. The only problem with the first proposed is that his face looks really messed up, as though the screenshot was taken between frames. It is far more distracting than the current, (which doesn't have anything distracting at all) especially with the image being as small as it is. The current picture is fine imo, and with the waterfall background, is far more astetically pleasing. if we have to change it, i vote that we change it not to proposal 1, but to something like the one i linked to.
and as far as lighting on a profile picture... nobody visiting his page is gonna get that symbolic to say that the darkness of the room he's in means something about his character. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 09:37, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
As a random note, Intelligence4, that image has been proposed not long ago (and at least once before that) and has been shot down every time due to being too neutral for Tarrlok (among other reasons). Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:13, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
I only noted the lighting because PSU noted liking the dark effect as part of his reasoning. And regardless, having a profile image in daylight is far preferable than one in the dark; we've changed dozens of profile images for the very reason that the image is too dark or the lighting causes awkward shadowing. The face is not severely distorted, it's a frame showing a distinct emotion that is, in fact, similar if not identical to the one in the current. Tilting and perspective is what makes it appear messed up. The current is tilted down, so the skin concentrated around the forehead region is less prominent than that of the proposal, which I hardly find distracting. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 03:33, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
Why don't we find a picture that's close to the proposed, but a few frames off - that way, the tilting and stuff doesn't mess up his face. The proposed doesn't look bad if you view it larger, but small as it is going to be on his page, his face looks like someone reached on-screen and scrambled it all up. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 04:42, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

The Puppetmaster

02-07-2014

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While the current picture is creepy... that's just it. Its creepy. It really doesn't explain the main point of the episode as a profile image should. While the quote shows that Hama is a "dark puppetmaster" the current image does not portray that. The proposed image displays Hama as the puppetmaster she is, thus correlating with the current quote and summarizing the episode as a whole. The second proposal also display Hama as the aforementioned "dark puppetmaster," but I put it as the second proposal because it gives away the blood-bending reveal. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 00:06, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 06:43, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #2. It really shows bloodbending in action and how it affects a person, while Proposal #1 could just be Hama doing any kind of waterbending. --Cari1994 (wallcontribs) 07:03, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
Proposal #2, per Cari1994. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:34, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
While I do like the proposals, they spoil the reveal for the episode (which I'm not sure if that's a thing you'd want to avoid on this wiki or not). Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 15:16, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
I agree that the current picture doesn't do the episode justice. In my opinion, the second proposal is a perfect representation. Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 15:29, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
I support proposal 2 Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 17:01, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
I support the second proposal. It does show the main point of the episode: bloodbending. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 22:36, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Airbending

02-15-2014

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The current image for airbending is at such an awkward angle that I think it needs to be changed. The proposed better displays a standard air blast, which is the move most demonstrated in the show' s run. Also the current has a noticeable red tint which, while not terrible, darkens the images, and is thus not ideal for a profile picture. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 01:18, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I disagree. There is nothing awkward about the current, nor does the representation of airbending have to be the most demonstrated move in the series. I don't find its lighting to be that distracting, and I like how the current image is nicely in line with the waterbending and earthbending image in the sense that it has the bender in the middle, flanked at both sides by the element. Also, the proposed image has a clear focus on Aang as opposed to the bending itself, whereas the attention in the current image is naturally drawn to the two air currents beside Aang. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 01:29, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the proposal. Imo, the current image is somewhat unclear. i like the proposed b/c it is very clear what is happening, and the shading and coloring is much easier on the eye. i remember first seeing the airbending page before i had seen the episode it was taken from, and i was rather confused as to what was going on, which probably had something to do with the stance aang's in - it is rather un-ideal for a profile picture. also per OP. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 01:39, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
Also, firebending's propic isn't a bender flanked by elements on two sides. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 01:41, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it is indeed not, but that's the only one -as stated in my own previous post. But anyway, how is it hard to see what's going on in the current image? You see two massive air currents flanking a bender... doesn't take much to deduce someone's airbending. In the proposed one, however, the airbending itself is barely on the image and it's squished in a corner. The emphasis is as such put on Aang and his stance, which is not the point of an infobox representing airbending. As such, that would make it a bad representation of airbending.
(On an unrelated note, please use proper indentation to space your posts. If the one before you used one :, then please use two :, and so one and so on.) Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 01:43, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree with the proposal, per the reasoning Lostris gave. The angle in the current is perfectly fine, and is well centred on the airbending itself, whereas the proposed only gives a small focus on the airbending, particularly as most of the air blast is cut off, and is more focused on Aang. The profile image should ultimately focus on the subject of the article itself, and I do not feel the proposed does this, whereas the current does. HAMMEROFTHOR 11:02, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
First of all, and unrelated, how do i indent? the tab key doesn't seem to be working... anyway, the current still looks really bad imo. there are things wrong with the proposed, but it's far better than the current. there's literally hundreds of airbending shots we could use instead of both of our current options. how about something like this: http://dvdscreenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/atla/201/901.jpg? (i'd actually post it as an option, but i don't know how w/o uploading from my computer, which isn't something i want to do). Another option i thought of: why don't we make the propic for all the bending arts from the opening sequence? Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 11:43, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

[Reset indent] You indent by adding colons. Exactly what you did with that response, except you're supposed to add one more than tha previous user's post has. Second, why is it better than the current, exactly? We barely see the air he is bending. I had a quick look at the airbending images cat, and only saw one or two that might be good for it. Personally, while I think the proposed is a better image, I do not think it is a better profile picture for the airbending page. How exactly is the current a 'bad angle'? It's head on, the subject in the center of the picture, and draws the readers attention to it. The first thing I notice is the air on either side of Aang. Not Aang himself.
Also, the image you linked doesn't work. I disagree with the linked image, too. Where is the airbending? And I personally find the opening sequence too dark, focusing too much on the writing behind the element being bended (of which you can barely see half the time, anyway). It's kind of like the reason we don't use the title images for the episode pages. We use an episode from the page. At least, that's how I think of it. Frui (🌹🐝🐝🐝) 12:08, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. While the current has a somewhat odd lighting and the position is a bit akward, the proposed seems to focus mainly on Aang and not with the air blast. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 15:11, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with AvatarIonathan. The proposed image really focuses more on Aang rather than the bending. Steph32597s (wallcontribs) 15:53, February 15, 2014 (UTC)


I added three more proposals. Proposals two and three focus more on the actual airbending and the power that it possesses,while proposal four keeps in line with the whole "the bender in the middle, flanked at both sides by the element" mentality that Lady Lostris brought up, just with a better angle and lighting.DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 22:18, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I still prefer the current for reasons already stated above. #2 depicts airbending as a rather violent art, #3 makes it look identical to waterbending in appearance, and #4 is not of good enough quality to stand as a profile image. The current is a fine depiction, I really don't see a need to change.Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:37, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I also added another proposal. It focuses on the airbending: that's how kuruk was impressing the girls, and it's in the center of the pic. Also, the coloring is much better than the current, and it's much easier to see how exactly it's being bent (in the current, with the image as small as it is in the airbending infobox, it's difficult to see right away what exactly the bender is doing.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 13:53, February 15, 2014

The current is fine just how it is, but if it has to be changed, I'd choose #4. I don't see what is wrong with the current though.-Katarasprite1AvatarKyaAzula-end-c6
I am ok with the current image, the only proposal so far that I could see as the main image would be proposal 2. The focus is on the airbending, and it showcases the spiral movements of airbending, something the current doesn't. Proposal 1 has focus on Aang, not the bending. Three can come across as waterbending, as mentioned. Four looks too subdued, and five isn't very characteristic airbending. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:11, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
AvatarKya, just as a general note, a proposal to change doesn't mean it has to be changed. If you don't agree with the necessity of the change and/or the proposed, you can just support the current as you did :-) Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 23:18, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
As Intelligence said, there is a multitude of valid alternatives for the airbending profile picture, and the number of proposals clearly illustrates this, so something that should be addressed is what exactly do we want the profile picture for the airbending page to embody (or any of the bending arts articles, for that matter)? Should it display the prowess of the bending art, or a more defining basic move? Should it focus on the stance/posture that is necessary for performing the ability? Should it be sure to include/exclude certain characters, due to their relation to the bending art (e.g. Not Korra for airbending, as she employs a nontraditional form of her own)? Should it focus more on the bender or the element, as both are needed to perform bending?
My vote will be based on the answers to these questions. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 03:02, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
In a picture, we want a) the element being bent, b) the element to be shown in a prominent place in the image (like not a small corner of the pic) and c) the image to be of good aesthetic quality. Imo, p5 best demonstrates these qualities. The bending doesn't have to be very strong/advanced or very basic, but it just has to display the art/element well. The current image doesn't really do that: as a result of the way the air is animated, the gusts look more like pillars of ice or something, and the red hue of the entire image makes it look aesthetically unpleasant. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 03:59, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not in agreement. Proposal #5 is from an online animatic special, depicting a non-native airbender performing a move uncharacteristic of airbending. Doesn't make sense to me to use that snapshot when a series equivalent is available, and when better depictions of the element by benders that would be more appropriate to feature are plentiful. The fact that Aang is not the focus in the current is more appealing to me, and I'm not distracted by the red hue. In fact, it makes the air look more distinct than it would in a more neutral-tinted image. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 05:24, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
Well that answers some of my questions. We want a native bender, which makes sense, and it seems like WS prefers the element to be the focus rather than the bender. Based on that knowledge, I'd say the current is fine, but do we want the profile pic to display a more basic airbending move? Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 15:56, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
The goal of the picture is to prominently display airbending, since that's the subject of the page. How it is displayed is personal preference. So then it boils down to finding a suitable picture with a clear emphasis on the bending -which move is displayed is irrelevant at that. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:08, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
I support the currant. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. Apart from #5, none of the proposals, to me, represent airbending because they are not accurate (peaceful and evasive not violent) good quality (lighting etc:) and so on. #5 seems off putting because of all he people in the background despite the actual air technique being in the middle. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 21:50, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
With the new proposals being added, I like #4 the best. It acuratly shows the bender and the bending style. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 21:49, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Please note, though, as was reiterated above, that the entire point of an infobox image is to be a good representation of the relevant page's subject, in this case airbending. As such, it is the point to find a quality image that puts the main emphasis on airbending, not the bender. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:51, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Added proposal 6. While the air balls don't take up a huge chunk of the image, the lighting's good, there's a clear blue-orange contrast which draws attention to the air balls and we also see multiple airbenders. SuperAvatar (wallcontribs) 22:29, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I fail to see that clear blue-orange contrast you are referring to. As such, for me, due to the lighting and coloring of that image, the emphasis is naturally drawn to Aang and Gyatso as opposed to the air balls, making it an undesirable infobox image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:41, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

My final take on the matter... I think proposal number four is the best one and should be used as the profile picture. I think this for three reasons. Firstly, it displays both the bender as well as the bending. In the current picture, Aang is at an awkward angle, which confuses viewers as to what he is doing. Proposal number four displays the actual bending of the element as well as prominently displaying the element bent. Secondly, while some might say the coloring of the current doesn't really affect them, I feel the red hue is highly distracting and takes away focus from the image. Lastly, the proposed takes place in an open meadow, which is a very calm, serene, and, most importantly, free environment. This is all the attributes that airbending stands for. Seriously, what more free than untouched nature? For these reasons, I feel proposal four should be the new profile picture. DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 04:58, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I've provided as many reasons as I could for keeping the current, and honestly, this discussion can drag out longer and longer and more and more proposals can be brought up, but I'll continue supporting the current image as the best visual depiction of airbending. I'm opposed to any change. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 00:01, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
I think we'd make more progress here if instead of voting on which image, we first took a tally of those who wanted to change and those who didn't. Then if change wins, we could decide which one. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 03:05, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
The response has been overwhelming support for the current, in a 10:2 vote. (8:2 if you remove Omni and AvatarKya's votes, which were somewhat ambiguous). The discussion has only been prolonged and overcomplicated since more images were added every couple days of discussion. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 05:38, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
I'd go with either #2 or #3, since they're the most clear and the Airbending is the focus. Soren7550 (wallcontribs) 14:09, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
But proposal #2 makes it look like a violent act (which it isn't) and proposal #3 could be mistaken for waterbending as Lostris said. Snivystorm (wallcontribs) 18:09, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Lin Yee

02-16-2014

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The proposed is better-lit that the current. The only downside could be that the teeth are bared, but since we don't see him in a non-aggressive state, that can easily be excused. GPFluteAvatar 21:12, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I disagree, mainly because the current image is in the series original coloring and quality, while the proposed is the brightened, which causes a loss of quality and a blurriness of lines. The proposed isn't that badly lit, thus imo, quality with acceptable lighting beats reduced quality, slightly stretched out and brightened image. The second reason to oppose this is the awkward open mouth. That's not aesthetically appealing, even if you'd like to explain that as being "aggressive". Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:22, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
I was also on the fence about approving this - with that said, I disagree per LL. There is an apparent loss of quality with the proposal. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? Katarasprite1Ty Lee KW 21:28, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't know, but from what LL said, it sounds like the current is the original taken from the series, and the proposed is an altered image. I think we should stick to the original material. Intelligence4 (wallcontribs) 22:17, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Intelligence, if the proposed has been altered, then stick with the current; however, if not then I support the proposed because of the better lighting. Also, the open mouth issue came up before in the recent Cabbage Merchant PIC and was seen as not a big deal, which I believe applies to this situation as well. Bolin spriteZiryerxPainted Lady (wallcontribsfanon) 03:35, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
As the one who is in the process of going over all images to revert the use of the altered piandao.org images to self-taken screenshots of the series, I vouch for the fact that the current image is the original coloring -since I also took that shot myself from the DVDs. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 09:08, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
I support the change. So what if it's altered? It's still a good image. AvatarIonathan (wallcontribs) 21:46, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Because an alteration of a copyright protected image is solely accepted int he circumstances where it enhances quality, not deteriorates it. I opted to have a discussion about the quality, though since I'm not the only one who noticed the deterioration of the quality, that alteration is a copyright violation. So no, it's not a good image. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:49, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not seeing a deterioration in quality, though that may be because it's kinda hard to judge the quality of the original because of the overall darkness and lack of contrast in the image. So per the latter, I'd support the new image. Could be that it looks to me that way because of my computer screen though. SuperAvatar (wallcontribs) 22:00, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Brightening the image has caused some of the lines to become blurred, which is considered a loss of quality. Per that and Lostris' point above about altering copyrighted images, I have to support keeping the current image. HAMMEROFTHOR 22:06, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Rejected proposals

This proposal has been rejected, because The proposed replacement has a watermark, which is not allowed per image policy.

Dante Basco

12-01-2013

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I chose the proposal because: The current image shows the old times Dante Basco which is before 2013. While the proposed replacement 1 showed the new Dante with a full body picture. AvatarMJC (wallcontribs) 13:20, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

This proposal has been rejected, because The first four proposals make her look goofy, which goes against her personality, while the fifth makes her look depressed, which also does not satisfy her character.

Korra

12-22-2013

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File:Korra proposal 2.jpg|Proposed replacement #2
File:Korra proposal 3.jpg|Proposed replacement #3
File:Korra proposal 4.jpg|Proposed replacement #4
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The current Korra photo has a shadow over it, rendering it a little undesirable. In addition to this, Pierott animation drew Korra's face a little off model, so the proposed could fix these problems. (Most are, however, right from Piandao.com so they need to be resized). —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 04:36, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

This proposal has been rejected, because none of the proposals portray Sokka in character or in a neutral position, neither do they adhere to this wiki's quality standards.

Sokka

12-22-2013

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File:Sokka Proposal 2.jpg|Proposed replacement #2
File:Sokka Proposal 3.jpg|Proposed replacement #3
File:Sokka Proposal 4.jpg|Proposed replacement #4
File:Sokka Proposal 5.jpg|Proposed replacement #5
File:Sokka Proposal 6.jpg|Proposed replacement #6
File:Sokka Proposal 7.jpg|Proposed replacement #7
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The current is at an awkward angle and is also very zoomed up. The proposed images fixes this. (These photos do have to be resized, though, before finalized) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDman20000 (wallcontribs) 23:58, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

This proposal has been rejected, because the proposed replacement has a Nick logo, which is discouraged.

Toph Beifong

12-27-2013

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I believe the current image should be changed to my proposal because the current image shows Toph in an outfit she wore for only two episodes. I think my proposal accurately portrays Toph's personality, and I personally don't see why the image has to be from Book 3. Ibrahim77 (wallcontribs) 04:48, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

This proposal has been rejected, because The proposed replacement does not meet the wiki's image quality standards and depicts the character in an awkward pose and with her face not visible at a clear angle.

Toph Beifong

12-27-2013

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(Now without the Nick logo.) I believe the current image should be changed to my proposal because the current image shows Toph in an outfit she wore for only two episodes. I think my proposal accurately portrays Toph's personality, and I personally don't see why the image has to be from Book 3. Ibrahim77 (wallcontribs) 05:09, December 27, 2013 (UTC)