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Approved proposals

Sooty copper fritillary

2-24-13

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The current image has a lot of focus on Aang, and the butterfly is barely visible at all. While taking images from the nick site is usually avoided, in this case it depicts the subject much better than the proposal, and the insect's features can be seen much more clearly. Fire Ferret 04:51, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion, and I agree. KettleMeetPot • wall 04:57, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed as well. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 05:35, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Support also for given reasons. But I don't think that taking from the nick website is a problem, since other pages use pictures from the nick website too. Chakra Sandwich 03:44, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Dragon

2-24-13

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Throughout folklore, dragons have come in all shapes and sized. The current infobox image does not portray the actual appearance of the dragons in the Avatar universe very well imo. The proposed image, albeit a further off image, gives a better view of how the dragons look in their entirety, their wingspan, and their size. The Sun Warriors at the bottom are not a distraction, imo, but rather a point of comparison to guage the dragon's size by. The current image could be used elsewhere on the page, namely at the connection paragraph since that one talks about the specifics of the dragon's face. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 18:37, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The Ultimate Waterbender 21:11, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Support per given reasons. Chakra Sandwich 03:41, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Support per above. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 12:57, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Shirshu

3-5-13

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I feel like the proposed image better depicts the shirshu as an animal. It is a way closer shot, thus focusing more on the physical traits of the animal: you can clearly see that it has no eyes, the sharp claws, and the specific nose are all visible. June is also not sitting on Nyla and thus is no distraction. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 08:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. KettleMeetBot (wall • contribs) 08:42, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Robert Ito

3-6-13

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The current one comes off really blurry due to its small size, and although the proposed image depicts him with a rather weird smile, I believe it is in general, taken all the pros and cons of both images into consideration, the best of both. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 15:13, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Not much else to say except I agree, and a more recent image is also worth a bonus point. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 15:18, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'd say I agree. The proposal is clearer. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 15:31, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Support per given reasons. Chakra Sandwich 00:51, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Carlos Alazraqui

3-6-13

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The current image cuts off part of his head and is off too small a size to properly show up in the infobox without losing quality. The proposed on the other hand is a nice, clear, centered shot of ample size that will maintain its quality. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 18:16, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 18:23, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Support, also because there's a better expression in the proposed. Chakra Sandwich 00:52, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

The Dark One

3-8-13

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The current one shows his general lack of interest, but it does not show his most significant trait - his "dark" persona. The current one is also less focused on him, has an awkward part of Ho Tun and an unpleasant speech bubble in the background, while the propsal is a centered shot. Of course his pose is not the best in the propsal, but I don't think the current one is so much better. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 18:21, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 18:25, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I do prefer the proposal to the current for giving a more accurate depiction of his character, so I support it. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 18:28, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I support as well for the better portrayal and getting rid of the distractions and awkwardness.Chakra Sandwich 00:19, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gan Jin tribesman

3-11-13

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The proposed is a rather close-up shot of this tribesman, though I still feel like it is of better quality than the current cropped shot of him that we have. It is a clear shot of his serious face, as opposed to the somewhat awkward position he has in the current. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:27, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:36, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Tattoos

3-11-13

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The current image has too much glare, to the extent that the tattoo can hardly be seen, and also shows too much of Gyatso, which further distracts from the focus. The proposals are a lot clearer and more concentrated on the tattoos themselves, rather than the person. Sparks • From • Hades 21:36, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion, but I think #1 is subject to the same issue the current image seems to have. I vote for #2. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:39, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

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I suggest a third proposal for the reason that both the proposed images are of Air Nomad tattoos yet again, something that is already featured on the relevant section on that page. I oppose the first proposal because I don't think a new upload for this is necessary when there are plenty of images available of Aang's tattoo, and I feel like proposal #2 is fitting where it is already on the page: the Air Nomad section. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:56, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I like the third one, it gives a good clear image of the tattoo, and it is not a repetitive image. Chakra Sandwich 00:37, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

The Great Divide

3-11-13

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The episode was about crossing the Great Divide and the division between the two tribes. The current image doesn't really portray either side imo. Every proposal does a better job portray the conflict and/or the division among the tribes much better, while all being taken while being inside the canyon, thus keeping the link with the location of the episode. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:32, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I'm not a big fan of PR4 as it's really zoomed out and you can't really tell what's going on, but it does seem like every image gets the needed job done otherwise. It's between one or two for me....hmm, I think I'll take PR2 because it is zoomed in the most, and with that, you can see better the divide and Aang's role as a mediator. It being at the beginning of the episode too, it sets the stage for what's going to happen throughout. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 22:59, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I retracted the other proposals since #2 is now also being used on another page and per our image policy, we try to use images sparingly, so no need to have multiple images more or less conveying the same thing. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 16:04, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Great Divide

3-11-13

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The current image centers Team Avatar whereas the focus should be on the canyon itself Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:32, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 22:59, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hook swords

3-12-13

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Per a long-time unenforced bit of the image policy: use images sparingly. The current image could perfectly be replaced by the proposal without losing any of its representational value. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 17:08, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 17:31, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Jet

3-12-13

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Qua setting is the proposed image rather similar than the current one, though I believe it beats the current one on overall presentation of Jet. In the current one he is depicted rather crazed with a Fire Nation insignia in the background -which is exactly what he hated. The proposed is a calmer, centered shot of him with a more neutral expression (and a more complete view of his trademark twig-thingy). Lady Lostris /  SOAP 18:51, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 19:11, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Support, he has a slightly better facial expression and the lighting is better. Chakra Sandwich 06:19, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose. The second image may have a better quality to it but I feel as though his character isn't well represented by it. Jet's known for being a calculating individual with intense hatred for the Fire Nation and a strong desire to remain the leader of the FF. The current picture has a facial expression true to his character and it shows him in the wake of attacking a Fire Nation encampment. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 17:14, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

So . . . you feel like his true character is a deranged young man with shifty eyes? Now it more looks like he a Fire Nation militia person than anything else, cause you have to remember that you place that FN insignia in the context of the episode it was taken from. However, not everyone knows instantly form which episode which image was taken and they could easily misinterpreted something like that. Quality should not be forsaken for a subjective reasoning and personal explanation behind an image. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 17:44, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well... he is an honour-bound character, but his views on maintaining it are in some ways deranged. He did after all use Katara to help him flood the village and he did lie to her and Aang about the true purpose of their actions. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 17:48, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

There s a difference between being honor-bound and deranged. Jet's plans were well though out. They were crude, but he was not deranged. Lying is not being deranged. Depicting him like that is letting your personal opinion about the character complete determine his representation, cause apart from his plan to flood the village which was over the top, he also did a lot of good. He took in orphans and gave them a new home, he thwarted the FN, he attempted to out firebenders in Ba Sing Se -which on itself is a commendable effort as they were the enemy. Thus I believe that it is rather short sighted to just depict him to be deranged, cause he was hardly that, and so much more than the "evil village-flooder". Lady Lostris /  SOAP 18:00, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed per Lady. He looks atypical in the current. ― Thailog 19:18, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Zhang

3-14-2013

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The current image is rather dark and unrevealing due to it being a campfire shot. The proposed is a much clearer shot of part of the tribe, showcasing the leader and some other members in their natural rugged clothing. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 16:11, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 16:34, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change; the proposed is clearly superior to the current in lighting and detail. The Ultimate Waterbender 22:51, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Iguana parrot

3-14-2013

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The current image doesn't really portray the animal very well imo. In the proposed you can clearly see its wings, talons, beak, tail, and general appearance. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 19:43, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:11, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

I think I'm going to have to oppose– I find the tree background rather distracting, and while you can see the wings of the Iguana parrot in the proposed, the body is also a bit less visible. Fire Ferret 22:13, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

The proposal is far from perfect, and you do have a point somewhat of the body. However, I you can still see the body sufficiently and I find the fact that the current image severely lacks in representation of the claws, tail, and wingspan of the animal more of a disturbance than the more crowded background forms. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:17, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

I think I'll oppose as well, but for slightly different reasons. The Iguana Parrot is known as a menacing bird, based on how it's seen in Book 1 of ATLA. The current image better conveys that malevolence than the proposal does, and the night shot fits perfectly with that portrayal. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 14:52, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Factual inaccuracy: the iguana parrot is not known as a menacing bird. It's not because a pirate had one that the animal is menacing. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 15:00, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I support the proposal. The current doesn't portray the animal as a bird very well, mainly because its movement is static and the wings are obscured. In my opinion, it's more important to portray the creature as a bird because many of its most prominent appearances, like how it perched on the captain's shoulder or flew after Momo, had more to do with birds. Also, the proposal has better lighting. Sparks • From • Hades 17:52, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Piandao

3-15-2013

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Yes, I know that we changed the proposed image for the current a few months back, but now that the proposed image has received the proper ratio cut, both images are practically the same, only a slight difference in position. In any case, I do not feel like that minor difference between them warrants them both to be here. Per our image policy: try to use images sparingly. These two are imo perfectly interchangeable, with that difference that the proposed is used on many pages and the current only on Piandao's as the infobox image. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 19:55, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion - quite personally, I don't think it ever needed to be changed in the first place. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 20:16, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

I actually favor the current image; it is true that they aren't drastically different, however, there are certain discrepancies between the two - the lighter and less occupied background of the current is more preferable and while not a monumental difference, the view of Piandao's face in the current is not cut off as much and more centered than in the proposal. The Ultimate Waterbender 22:51, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps, there is something to be said about that, but I still feel like that are very minor notes that are very debatable worth a somewhat policy infringement about -though not really an infringement, more a going again the jest of the policy. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 23:01, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm on the fritz about this. I'm not too big a fan of the proposed image because of points Ultimate made. I'm more inclined to stay with the current image as even though it's an action shot, it's still well-detailed. However LL does raise a point about the image ratio not being cut properly. Perhaps we need a second proposal image of the current, but with a better ratio cut. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 14:48, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Er, no, you've misunderstood me with the ratio-comment. At this moment, both images are in the proper ratio, no need to change that. The entire reason for this proposal is to implement our image policy: both images are practically interchangeable and by going with the proposal, we would be "using images sparingly" by changing an image with another similar one that is used more on page. That is what we should do according to policy. The very minor, very debatable negative points the proposed image has over the current image should not stand in the way of applying policy. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 14:58, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not really in favor of either image, but if some feel the benefits of the current are significant enough, then could the second image be replaced to avoid infringing policy? The proposal is used on one canon article and a few fanons, but that isn't too much to not be easily replaced. Sparks • From • Hades 17:52, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Crescent Island Fire Temple

3-15-2013

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The proposed image is a much closed image of the temple in better light, thus showing the building's details more. The only two downsides I can name for the image are that it's of an unconventional size, and that it does not include the mountain on which the temple is, or rather, was built. However, I still believe the greater detail on the image outweighs the downsides. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:38, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Unconventional, sure, but I don't think that ultimately takes away from it too much. You can hardly see it in the CI. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 21:45, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Omashu delivery system

3-16-2013

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While the current image gives the most completely representation of the delivery system, it just doesn't look well on the page. If you go to it, you'll see that it takes the entire right side to just showcase the image and that is unnecessary and looks cluttery. The either of the proposed images show a part of the chutes sufficiently enough to still have a proper representation without dominating the entire page. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 12:15, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. I prefer #1 here as I think it gives the fuller view of the delivery system while even showing a bit of it in use. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 14:03, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the profile image deserves a change (I vote #1 per PSU), but I don't think that such a beautifully detailed image should go to waste. Maybe it could be placed elsewhere on the article in a much smaller size, prompting the viewer to click and see an enlargement, or simply have a link to the file location somewhere in the article. Krazykid51 02:22, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Support number one per everyone else. Chakra Sandwich 06:30, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I vote to change it to #1 as well, but I'm inclined to go with Krazy's idea. The panoramic shot is superb, and is in my opinion, one of the best images on the wiki because of how perfectly it portrays the delivery system. You get a complete visual of how it dominates the city's infrastructure and "defines" Omashu, twisting around everywhere. That is not completely covered by either of the proposals, and could not be covered by anything but a panorama. Even though it's not unusual, it would be a shame to have to delete that image just because of size. Sparks • From • Hades 16:40, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

If people feel so strongly about the panoramic shot to still be on the page, then I suggest keeping it the infobox image, but just size it down to 150px as opposed to the standard 250px. It's unconventional, but it would be a neater solution that putting it somewhere on the page in a minuscule size and invite people to click on it for a full view. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 16:47, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, seems like a good idea. Sparks • From • Hades 16:56, March 17, 2013 (UTC)it would

I agree with that idea, LL. I checked it out in preview mode, and it looks like much less of an eyesore at that size than it does now. Krazykid51 17:25, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I too like the idea of shrinking it down into a more suitable infobox size.Fire Ferret 22:11, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Will Shadley

3-16-2013

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The current image is very small in size which makes is show up very blurry. The proposed image is larger, thus of higher quality. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 19:58, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 20:10, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change, and also he has a less awkward smile in the proposed.Chakra Sandwich 22:42, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Cuisine in the World of Avatar

3-18-2013

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As the profile image, the main picture should show a wide variety cuisines clearly and without many distractions. The current doesn't do either very well: there is no variety since all of the cuisines are small, round sweets (not a very good representation of food in the world as a whole), and the focus is more on Aang's goofy expression than anything else. The proposals have fewer distractions and a much wider array of dishes; they show both desserts as well as main course meals. Sparks • From • Hades 23:19, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.

I also added a fifth proposal for the simple reason that you do have a point for proposing to change the infobox image to focus more on the food itself, though I do not feel like there is a need to upload new images for that -thus, that strikes out 2, 3, and 4. Another point I have against either one of those three is that the green lighting is far from desirable. I have nothing against 1, though it is already being used on the page on a place where it is very suitable. Which brings me to 5. The image may perhaps not show such a wide spread in dishes as the other proposals do, but it is of good quality in good lighting and shows a sufficient amount of food to pass as the "cuisine" infobox image imo. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 23:33, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, the green lighting is a bit garish, so I would support one or five. But since lostris brought up the point that one is already used, I think I'll go with five as well. Chakra Sandwich 00:46, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ikem

3-23-2013

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Okay, perhaps I just hate mustaches, but regardless of that, I believe the proposed is better suited as Ikem's profile image for now for a number of reasons. 1. it is a more centered shot with him looking straight "at the camera" and his whole head is shown, and 2. it is an image of how he was in most of the story: a young, clean man. The current image is only his appearance in one shot, since he has a beard in the next one. Though the proposed has a more busy background, I still believe that the more accurate portrayal of Ikem that it brings weighs more heavily than that. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 19:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion - hey, what do you have against mustaches? :( But yeah, the cleaned-up version of Ikem is how we have come to know him so far, even if it's not the most recent in-universe shot of him - plus centering is always a positive. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 19:25, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change as well - however, as he will probably appear with mustache and beard in The Search 2 and 3, you won't be able to avoid them in the future ;) DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:06, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, I felt like that image wasn't a good representation of Ikem when the page first came out (Sorry ATFF) and this is the best replacement with all the centering and stuff. (dude. I love mustaches.) Chakra Sandwich 22:54, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I support ^^ I just chose that shot of him because it was the most recent full image. Fire Ferret 00:22, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Nation engineers

3-27-2013

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The current image is unsuitable given the steam surrounding the engineer which draws attention from the true purpose of the image and blurs/shadows him from clear view. The proposed, on the other hand, centers around the engineer and provides a clear image of the uniform and equipment they wear. (I'm not entirely sure if the dimensions are right, though, for the proposed image; anyone is free to make amends if needed.) The Ultimate Waterbender 18:40, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and agreed - unless there's something else I'm missing, I don't see why not to go for this. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 18:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Support per above. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 18:49, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I support as well. Chakra Sandwich 03:08, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Film:Conrad Buff

4-8-2013

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The proposed is a more informal shot, but the possible downsides of that are by far outweighed by the quality upgrade it poses in comparison with the current image that is small in size and very blurry when put in the infobox. The proposed is a nice centered shot, good lighting, and overall good quality. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 08:51, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and I agree. Also not as concerned about the informal part as the current also has him with a bit of a strange look as well. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 12:09, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

I agree per Madame Lostris and KFB. Chakra Sandwich 05:18, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Dev Patel

4-10-2013

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The current one is rather dark and Dev has a slightly awkward pose in at, with him leaning to the left (his right) and that smile. The proposed is a nice, clear, brighter, centered head-shot which I believe is more suitable to be an infobox image. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 08:30, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 14:06, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

The current also makes him look extremely flushed and plastic...hehe support proposed. Chakra Sandwich 00:24, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Shinu

4-13-2013

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I would like to propose a new image for Shinu; the main reasons are that on the current image you can only see him from the side, and Zhao stands in the background. The proposal, however, is a centered shot and does not have these problems. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 13:45, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 14:02, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, tho is there a better shot of him in TBS, this seems a bit distant, if not I support. – TechFilmer🍍

The Faction

4-20-2013

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The current one is a side shot that has the most emphasis on Mai and Ty Lee since they are standing closest and in the light, which is completely not how the groups works. The proposed image better shows off the dynamics of the team imo. Azula is clearly on the forefront, calling the shots, with Mai and Ty Lee clearly visible, though obviously in the background. Azula looking downwards also emphasizes her authority and the eliteness of the group. You can also see part of the FN insignia in the background, which is just a nice touch. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 12:26, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 13:47, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Support per given reasons. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 17:23, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

I support this new picture. After all, the propsed picture does a better job of representing the team than the current one. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 02:10, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

The Legend of Korra—The Art of the Animated Series, Book One: Air

5-3-2013

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\ Bryan Konietzko released the official image– I'm not sure this needs a proposal but I'm making one just in case. Fire Ferret 01:06, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, talk about it, do your thing. :) The 888th Avatar (talk) 01:10, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Support. It's the official image of the subject of the article. In this case, not much more needs to be said. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 02:40, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Support as well because it's the official image. Though she kinda looks like a zombie far away....Chakra Sandwich 04:01, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

That it does... though perhaps that could be fixed if the image were to become a png? (Not that I know how to do that or anything...) Fire Ferret 05:45, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Support. As the others said, it's official, but yeah, it's such a creepy image if it's resized to a small size. ^^" Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! 11:20, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think I'd better support, it is official XD – TechFilmer🍍

The only way you could truly vote was to leave this by using you account since anonymous users' votes don't count. So as long as you're blocked, you can't vote, even if you leave your account's signature. Sorry, Tech. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:21, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

This is not an "official" vote, we are not tallying votes, we are here to comment on it, and if commenting does not provide a consensus, then a vote must take place, at which, anons cannot vote. – TechFilmer🍍

TF, I know you want to participate fully again, but due to the fact that anonymous user's identities can't be tracked down, they don't vote -and this counts as a vote as well, cause who's to say that a logged in user could otherwise not just log out, change his IP address a few times to rig any form of community consensus here? So please, do not unstrike your vote again. As long as you keep voting without logging in to an account, your vote/comment/whatever you want to name it on here will be stricken out. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:47, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

I also agree with the change. It's great artwork, though Korra's appearance is a big departure from her series look. Sparks • From • Hades 22:56, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Era before the Avatar

5-12-2013

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I don't have anything against the current, but the current image is taken from 100 AG; which that means it is not from the past. Though I can't really sure is the proposal image drawing is before the Avatar, but it's clearly visible that the lion turtle and the condition of the drawing is from past lives. There are a lot of lion turtles that lived and it represent the Era before the Avatar, I believe. Acer Evan Seek anything about fanon! 14:06, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 14:13, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

How do you know there were "a lot of lion turtles" in the Era before the Avatar? While the current image is from 100 AG, its significance is not the time of origin, but rather the fact that this particular lion turtle is the only one confirmed to have lived before the Avatar. I don't believe that was ever said for the species in general, so it may not be correct to label the proposal as relating to the Era before the Avatar just because it shows lion turtles. I would prefer sticking to the current image, it's a nice iconic representation. Sparks • From • Hades 16:30, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I think if we discuss this, we should take into consideration 1) that the only things that definitely are from the pre-Avatar era are: this special lion turtle + the drawings of Oma/Shu + Omashu itself, and 2) that from what we heard of season 2 of LoK, Bryke want to show the origins of the Avatars. The latter would mean that we could/have to change the picture again after a couple of months. I'm not against the change, but I also do not see any great benefit from it. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:43, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Game Time

5-15-2013

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The current image is the entire first page of the comic, but since it is used in the infobox, one can't read anything in it anyway. That's why I propose to replace it by the first frame of that page only, which features the comic's title more clearly. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 19:43, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 20:48, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I oppose. It's a bigger image which makes the page look nicer. I ,however, recommend blanking all the text. No one really reads the images so its really unnecessary. Unnamed Airbender (Message Me · Read my fanon) 22:36, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

The purpose of the infobox image, especially with comic infoboxes, is to indicate the title of the image. By having the larger image there, you can hardly see the text of the title and as such, the proposed does a better and more accurate job in portraying the title of the image -which is the purpose of the infobox image in this case- than the current does. And that is what it is about.

The blanking of the text will indeed be done, but not because you recommended it. It will be done because it is standard that we blank out speech bubbles in infobox images, and it was an oversight earlier. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:47, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Fruit-Stand Freestyle

5-15-2013

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The page that hosts this image is rather short and will likely remain that way. The current image makes the infobox very elongated, so that there is a white space at the bottom. This is not bad necessarily, but I feel like just the first frame of the comic would be an equally sufficient infobox image and it will not elongate the infobox like now. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:29, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 15:04, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I oppose. As I mentioned before, changing this image will result in changing ever other pictures which will be a hassle. Also, giving the full page better because it will give the views some idea of how it looks like. Unnamed Airbender (Message Me · Read my fanon) 15:09, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

And as I mentioned before (granted, on the VfD page), you should have learned by now that these proposals are viewed on their own, they are gauged on their own merit. Arguments like "it should be this because of X" are void of reason, so they don't count at all. In this case, the image elongates the page, which is unnecessary and doesn't look good. In another case, the long image can suit the page just fine if the page on itself is longer. As such you have to have a specific case-review each time as opposed to simply generalizing everything like you do. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 02:24, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

However, due to Krazykid's excellent edit, the page has become long enough, so there is no need to change the image anymore. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 12:26, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying. But if we change this picture, we then should change every other comic article which may seem like an unnecessary hassle. I still prefer it to stay the same. We can find a better resolution picture if necessary. Unnamed Airbender (Message Me · Read my fanon) 14:59, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Since when is changing pictures "a hassle". I don't mind you opposing, but the reasons you are giving are just completely insufficient and void of a true point. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 02:24, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Bridge

5-18-2013

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There is no need to have the entire first page as the infobox image when the first frame alone can suffice. It shows the essentials, being the title and Katara writing in her diary, which is enough. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 15:53, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and I support the change. The Ultimate Waterbender 16:01, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Full support. AcerEvan ( Contributions · ) 16:03, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Night Animals

5-21-2013

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The current image can stands well in the page, but we don't have to keep the entire first page as infobox image. The proposed image can present the main idea of the story; Appa and Momo better than the current, because the proposed is detailed. AcerEvan ( Contributions · ) 14:30, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 19:25, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hear, hear! I would choose tris new format for all the comics. --I declare Shenanigans! ^(talk) 20:41, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

The current one is better. Unnamed Airbender (Message Me · Read my fanon) 19:40, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

How could you say the current one is better when it shows the overall front page that equals with lack of details? When the proposed image is zoomed, reader can easily notice the title, - it's bigger - and Appa, Momo, with sleeping-Team Avatar; the setting is easily noticed via the proposed image. I don't know but the first page of every comic page cannot depict the comic page overall-speaking about the others page, I think. Just my opinion ^^ AcerEvan ( Contributions · ) 20:20, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hot air balloon

6-14-2013

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By depicting more balloons, I feel like it actually deteriorates from the clarity of the balloon itself. The proposal is a clean shot that focuses on one balloon, so that the viewer can instantly see how the balloon is build and whatnot. It is also a good contrast shot with the single EK war balloon shown on the article as well, so that people can clearly see what has changed in the design of the balloon. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:48, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 00:28, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Support. – TechFilmer🍍

I support this proposal.GokuSSF2 ( Contributions ) 02:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Heir to the Fire Lord

6-15-2013

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The Heir to the Fire Lord article is about the title, and not about any person. For me, it doesn't seem very logical to show Zuko in the picture, especially as he is unidentifiable as the heir in that particular picture. However, the crown prince's headpiece is one of the things that allows the title to be identifiable. That piece is known as the crown prince's headpiece. Fire Ferret 02:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Here is one of Prince Sozin with the head piece, will that work? – TechFilmer🍍

Approved for discussion. My problem with using the headpiece is twofold - for one, it had been missing for quite a while; who knows if it's going to be used again in the future. In addition, it seems awkward to just use a crown as the profile image for a title; it would make more sense to use a person. I'm not thrilled about the second proposal, either, as you can barely see the headpiece on Sozin in that image. As a result, I have added proposal #3 - which is already on the HttFL article; and move the current image of Zuko elsewhere. PI3 really stresses that Azula was an heir - showing her with royal armor and a marked headpiece. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 02:29, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I support the change as well. The current image shows emotional Zuko that I think, the infobox image should be in neutral emotion as it is the title article, not about the person--who has emotion. But back to the topic, I think #1 can be the infobox image although as KFB stated, it makes no sense to show the crown only. The second proposal can't show the important "side" as the Heir--the crown itself, so I will vote #3 as well. AcerEvan ( Contributions · ) 05:04, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Avatar State

6-25-2013

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The episode is about Aang learning the value of the Avatar State after Fong tried to force him into it. The current image only shows Aang learning about his lineage, whereas the proposed shows both the Avatar State aspect as Aang's spirit, which alludes that there are two sides to the story -which is what the episode is about. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 13:50, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 14:09, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The proposal depicts more of what the episode was about as a whole, rather than simply Aang learning a lesson from Roku at the end. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message me • Read my fanon) 18:29, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

I agree per ARG and LL. Chakra Sandwich 20:03, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Nan Shan River

6-29-2013

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Capturing a river is a hard thing to do, but I believe an overview shot like in the proposed one gives a better shot of the river and its surroundings than a low side-shot. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:42, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 22:27, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Support. I also think the proposal is better suited to serve as profile image for the river. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 01:11, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

I agree; the overall view is a much better representation. The Ultimate Waterbender 01:43, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

The current one make it look like a lake instead of a river. I would go with the proposal as it shows it as a river. Hopemon (wall • contribs) 01:39, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I also think the proposed image is better suited for the job than the current one. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 11:42, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Support. I concur with Lostris, the proposed image captures the river in a better fashion than the other image. Avatar Corin 22:03, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Unalaq

7-1-2013

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Better view of the character in higher quality. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 22:17, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion; agreed once again. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 22:49, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agreed as well again. More better view of him till he appears in the next book. Hopemon (wall • contribs) 01:37, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I also agree. It gives Unalaq a much better view than what current image is providing. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 11:46, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Desna and Eska

7-1-2013

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Better quality and coloring than the original concept art. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:57, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Not much else to say but "agreed". PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 22:11, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, it look like they are standing next to each other and there are black edges in the corner. Hopemon (wall • contribs) 22:28, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

I also agree. The proposed image is much cleaner than the current image. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 11:52, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Varrick

7-1-2013

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Better quality and coloring than the original concept art. Lady Lostris /  SOAP 21:57, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Approved for discussion and agreed once again. PSUAvatar14 Want to have a word? 22:11, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

I would go with the new one as it cleaner. It good for now till he appears in the next book. Hopemon (wall • contribs) 22:20, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

I would also go with the new one because of the reasons stated above. GokuSSF2 (Contributions) 11:57, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

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Lo and Li

3-30-2013

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In the current image, Lo and Li are wearing weird uniforms, and Li's mouth is hanging open awkwardly. Also, the lighting is weird, as the background is dark while Lo and Li look very bright. The proposal shows the brighter side of Lo and Li, without any uniforms or open mouths. Justme13 (wall • contribs) 19:32, March 30, 2013 (UTC) Avatar Wiki:Profile image change/bottom

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Long Feng

3-31-2013

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The proposed image shows the more mysterious and dark side of Long Feng, along with showing his seriousness. Justme13 (wall • contribs) 04:51, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Avatar Wiki:Profile image change/bottom

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Tara Strong

4-11-2013

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As you can see, the current image is not of the highest quality. She is also not centred in the frame. The proposal is the image currently being used on her page on Wikipedia, and frankly, I just think it looks better. Frui (🌹 • 🐝 • 🐝🐝) 02:40, April 11, 2013 (UTC) Avatar Wiki:Profile image change/bottom

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Kyoshi

5-18-2013

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I think it's just better. It's more up-to-date picture of her. She also appeared in Korra's life so it's probably a bonus, imo. Unnamed Airbender (Message Me · Read my fanon) 22:41, May 18, 2013 (UTC) Avatar Wiki:Profile image change/bottom