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Jinora Edit

5-17-2012 Edit

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Jinora.jpg|Current Photo
Tumblr m43139yB3D1rpw3vq.png|Proposal #1
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Jinora-1.png|Proposal #3
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Jinora proposal 1.png|Proposal #4
File:Jinora proposal 2.png|Proposal #5
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Jinoraleafinthewind.png|Proposal #6
Jinora_winter.png|Proposed replacement #7
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Now that the show has begun and is progressing, I believe that each character should get a more accurate picture if they to not have one. One that shows them in the series and not just concept art. I would like to start off and change Jinora's picture, so that it shows her in the series. Feel free to add anymore photos if you think they would better represent the young airbender. Dontevenworryaboutit (wallcontribs)

Approved for discussion. #1 is way too much of a close-up and her face in #2 I think gives the wrong impression of her. I support #3 of the current options. The downside is she has a scarf on, which is not typical for her, but this is probably the best image we'll have for a while. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 21:24, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
The current one is far from ideal, but all the proposed ones are rather awkward, so the current for me for now. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:27, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'm tired of the concept art and always seeing that. Personally, I like #1 because that's how we often see her. #2, like ARG said, gives the wrong impression. I honestly don't have a solid opinion about #3, since it's not exactly the right impression, but it's still a good image. So I'd go with either #1 or #3 of the proposed ones. KataraLover Katara-chao1 21:32, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) The #1 and #2 are definitely not ideal whatsoever. Looking at the #3...it's pretty representative of her character, but I'm not sure about the hand up...but, I think it's representative enough to hold up. I'll go with the #3. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 21:34, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion, proposal #3 is the only good option. She may have her hand up, but I think we can deal with that for now. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:59, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

The rather dark lighting and how close up it is in #1 bothers me; plus we don't usually see her in such an excited mood. Jinora has been shown to be bit on the calm side, and this photo doesn't effectively portray that. Numbers 2 and 3 both include a rather awkward element; in #2 it's her general expression and in #3 it's the position of her hand and face. Annawantimes (Talk) 23:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I support #1 as it shows her face in more clarity than the others. Zutarashipper (wallcontribs) 06:22, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'm still not in favor of any of the images as they are all lacking something, but I added some more proposals as others want to change. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal #5 makes her seem like shes staring off at nothing, and proposal #4 isn't as sharp as I'd like. I still vote for proposal #3. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 22:04, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Proposal 5 is alright, but the lighting is better in proposal 3. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 22:23, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Number 5 :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aang Meng Fang (wallcontribs) This note was added on ~~~~~.
Proposal 3 is just such an awkward pose... Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:59, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'm always willing to move away from concept art, but I don't see any suitable alternatives here. Annawantimes (Talk) 23:03, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to have to also add that...well...I still don't see anything worth switching to for her profile picture in this list. They all seem to be, well, lacking, like Lady said. Vulmen (talkEoK) 04:23, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
Well I like number 5 more then number 3. Also some people on here (in this part of the page) like some of them and mostly number 5. Can we change it for now till we get a better one? If you look at some of the comments on her page, they are tired of the same photo that shows four of her. Also we don't know when the next time she shows up and have a better pic, just like Meelo. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 04:34, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
At this stage, I support number 5. This is a change that needs to be done quickly. At this point, anything is better than using concept art that is in such discord with other profile images. The 888th Avatar (talk) 06:16, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
I deleted #6 because it was squished, the proportions were altered and it was blurry. Apart from that, I continue to support #3 (but I'd also be okay with #5). I'll never understand the profile image change philosophy of "we can't find a perfect image, so we might as well not have any of them." --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 07:59, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
I support #5 as well. Her stare doesn't bother me much. Axiovatar Talk 09:02, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but that awkward stare is proposal 5 is just...not good. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 13:01, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with AvatarRokusGhost, if we can't find a perfect image, don't have one then. Just keep posting images into the gallary of Jinora page. But like I said before, I like #5. We should just keep one as a temp while the show keep going. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 13:22, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what the "stare" fuss is all about, to be honest. :P Look at a comparison of all the profile images from the main page. There are heaps of stares into blank space that could be "awkward". The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:22, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


I would like to add another contender. Proposal #6 is from "A Leaf in the Wind" and in my opinion perfectly captures her personality and character. Her blank stare a points out her mellow smart-aleck demeanor and the book shows her greatest passion: reading. Also "I will make no such promises" is arguably her defining moment in the series so far.The Youth Counselor (wallcontribs) 23:23, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
I would support proposal #6 for all the reasons Youth listed, but it isn't in .png format, and thus its quality isn't that great. If someone reuploaded it in png, I'd support it. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 01:03, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Considering that most profile images are rarely bigger than 400 x 400 pixels, is the JPG vs PNG format that important? We're not doing any transparency and there's no apparent artifacting on that image. But if you insist here is a full res PNG file that's been more centered.. I'm having trouble replacing the previous image. So if someone could delete the previous that for me, that'd be very appreciated.The Youth Counselor (wallcontribs) 03:16, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I added a new proposal. I know it is not the correct ratio but my computer can't edit PNG right now. Yz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 02:11, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
The book she's holding in #6 is the only thing that is portraying her personality well, but it is really distracting and therefore unsuitable to be used as an infobox image. #7 is the same as #3 with the hand. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:18, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Lady Lostris. I could never wrap my head around that image formatting. Every time I try it gives me another problem. As for the book being distracting - really? That book is an extension of her body. It's like saying someone's head is distracting. Almost every thing Jinora has said so far was about something she read about. The Youth Counselor (wallcontribs) 07:30, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) The book may be okay, but her expression accompanying is for from representational. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:57, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

How is the book distracting? It's part of her lifestyle. It isn't distracting... DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 22:26, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

When is the voting going to be done, I see that most of us want number 5 instead. We have the number 5 has her photo on the front page of the site. I notice some people are getting tired of waiting. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 02:10, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Voting is done when public opinions is unclear. If it is true that the majority supports proposal number five (which I am not sure of, since I did not follow up to this proposal very closely), then no voting will be done, and the current image will be changed to that one. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 02:14, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, by the way you know what happned to Meelo's on here? Hopemon (wallcontribs) 02:18, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I'd be fine with #5, judging by the current options. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:13, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, looking back over the discussion, we don't have anything close to consensus. It's time to vote. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:21, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Voting Edit

Current Edit
Proposal #1 Edit
Proposal #2 Edit
Proposal #3 Edit
Proposal #4 Edit
  1. Support Reluctant support — Not perfect, but better than concept art.Firelordazula signatureAzula sprite23TeeAzula Sprite 16:27, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — Per A3 --I'm The Bos Wall 04:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Proposal #5 Edit
  1. Support Slight support — It's an acceptable depiction of her personality, and we are using it on the main page, so...yeah. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 16:35, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support Support — It's a fair enough image for now, and helps us get rid of that dreaded concept art. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 16:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support SupportYz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 17:33, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support SupportHopemon (wallcontribs) 18:40, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support Support — It's the best of the above and is better than the concept art. Matey Y. (talk  A:TLoM) Korra-chao2 23:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support Support — Yeah, this will do for now. The 888th Avatar (talk) 04:26, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Support Support — Per all. Acer Indonesia(talkAPhoa) Aang Sprite Season 3Korra Sprite-01 11:51, 24 May, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Support Support — Better than the other proposals and the concept art, it'll work for the time being. Annawantimes (Talk) 22:09, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Support Support — This is better than the other proposals. We really need to step away from concept art. --Wangfire94 (wallcontribs) 22:37, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Support Support — Best pic. Out of them all. The Kid 100% (wallcontribs) Aang Sprite Season 3
  11. Support Support — Great pic, it fittest the best. RaggaR (wallcontribs) 16:30, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Support SupportRandom Ranaun (Talk to me!) 04:12, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Support SupportBlackMonkey Talk - Fire & Ice 13:41, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Support Support — It's the best out of all of these... Not the best possible, but for now it'll work better than the awkward concept art. MibuWolf 08:06, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Proposal #6 Edit
  1. Support Support — It shows her personality better Zutarashipper
  2. Support Support — It best displays her personality best. Jinora is a mellow bookworm.The Youth Counselor (wallcontribs) 18:32, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support Support — It might not carry her best facial expression, but Jinora is an avid reader. Her life and speech revolve around books! (That's not to say, of course, that her hobby defines her.) The image is also in great quality. Milkncookies11 (wallcontribs) 01:15, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Proposal #7 Edit
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Image 5 is the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Amon Edit

5-19-2012 Edit

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File:Amon in the Revelation.png|Current image
File:Amon proposal 1.png|Proposed replacement #1
File:Amon proposal 2.png|Proposed replacement #2
File:Amon proposal 3.png|Proposed replacement #3
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File:Amon_proposal_4.png|Proposed replacement #4
File:Amon_proposal_5.png|Proposed replacement #5
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I know it's only been three weeks since the current image was chosen, but after looking through episode 6 for some article images, I found a few good images of Amon. The lighting in the current image is a bit odd, it makes his mask look white and his hood look brown, while the lighting in the proposals is overall better as it shows the usual coloring of his appearance. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me!) 19:06, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. ― Thailog 00:36, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Personally I like the current image the best. Even though Amon's hood appears brown, I think it portrays the character the most menacing out of all the images we have of him. If I HAD to change the image, however, I would vote for proposal 3. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 00:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I support #1. It looks like Azula's image with the guards standing in depth of field. ― Thailog 00:49, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I support 1 as per Thailog. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 01:11, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I support #1, per Thailog's reasoning, plus the colors are rich and there's less of a shadow on his face than in the current. Annawantimes (Talk) 02:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I like #3 for the lighting, but #1 has a better pose and the lighting is okay, either of them would be fine in my opinion. Wildfire http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh604/wildfire32/Borra-chao4.gif 13:49, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I like number 3 the best, since Amon is a mysterious villain and this image really shows of that characteristic of his. On top of that, he is a scary villain and the angle and the lightning add that feeling. I believe 3 to be the ideal proposal. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 14:54, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

I like number 2, but having his henchmen showing isn't ideal and the 4:3 ratio is preferred, so I fixed that. --Mensasai (wallcontribs) 22:40, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Factual correction: the 4:3 ratio is preferred for ATLA images, the 16:9 ratio for TLoK. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:47, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Not for the main picture. If we used 16:9 for that, it would be too difficult to see on pages. --Mensasai (wallcontribs) 22:52, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Number 5 is photoshooped to remove the side of the henchman's face. I vote for #5. --Mensasai (wallcontribs) 22:52, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
The preferred ratio for TLoK remains always 16:9. Sometimes and image benefits from being cropped to the 4:3 ratio, but that does not deter from the fact that the 16:9 ratio is preferred. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:54, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but that's just idiotic. It should at least be 9:16 if you love those numbers so much. There's no reason the main picture on a page should be displayed so small as 250x141. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mensasai (wallcontribs) 23:03, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Uh... Mensasai, I don't think you're allowed to edit and change images like you did in proposal 5. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me!) 23:08, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
^ I think Ranaun is right . . . The current image has terribly awkward shadows, and doesn't show the pattern on his mask very well. #2, #4 and #5, for some strange reason, look like the mask is smiling. I like #1, with the Equalists on either side, clearly depicting him as a leader, per Thailog, but #3 would be acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wan-Shi-Tong-Servant (wallcontribs) 23:43, May 20, 2012


I still think the current image is the best option. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:52, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 3 shows his face at a nice angle while still showing his mask. Proposals 1 and 2 have distracting equalists in the background. The fifth is nice, but very similar to the first. With all that being said, I support the third. --I'm The Bos Wall 22:08, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Call me a hater, but all the head-on pictures of Amon look the same to me, except the one where his face is tilted... Unlike many other proposals, his expression doesn't particularly reflect his personality in one more than the other (my attempt at humor). I like the current myself because the shadows give him a creepy feel. Having equalists in the background is nice and such, but they are a tad distracting, IMO. MibuWolf 00:52, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #1 will be the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The Aftermath Edit

5-20-2012 Edit

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File:Fallenbender.png|Current image
File:Benders versus mecha tanks.png|Proposed replacement #1
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The Aftermath proposal.png|Proposed replacement #2
The Aftermath.JPG|Proposed replacement #3
The Aftermath.png|Proposed replacement #4
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<gallery hideaddbutton="true" caption="Posterior addition" captionalign="left">
Mecha tanks attack.png|Proposed replacement #5
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This shows a more representative picture of the main plot of the episode, the benders against the Equalist and the weapons made by Hiroshi. Dcasawang1wall 15:41, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. ― Thailog 18:37, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. Per Dcasawang1. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 19:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed, for the reasons DC said. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:57, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I agree that the proposal is much more appropriate (per Dcasawang1wall), but I wish there were a better picture. The proposal is a bit dark, and it's hard to see the characters and machinery (not the best for a profile image). Another problem I have with the proposal is that the same picture is used within the article, though we can always find a new shot of the fight scene...
I would, nevertheless, definitely vote for change. Milkncookies11 (wallcontribs) 22:43, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

I added another one brighter. Dcasawang1wall 00:59, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I added an image. I think it shows the situation better and you can see the characters better. Yz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 01:26, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 3 is way too dark. Proposal 2 is too light. Proposal 1 is perfect. Yes, it is dark, but that helps to convey the message.

If #3 were brighter and less blurry, I'd definitely go for that one. However, excluding that option, I prefer #2. Annawantimes (Talk) 03:17, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I reuploaded it as a png. That should make it less blurry. Yz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 05:32, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Either #3 or #4 would be good. I can't tell the difference. --AvatarMonarchist 19:04, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I still vote for proposal #1. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:45, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

In line of proposals 3 and 4, I've added a fifth one. This is a bit later than those, thus showing more of the tanks. I believe the lighting and coloring is rather good as well as the quality of the shot. It shows both the tanks and the opposing benders quite well. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:07, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal 5, definitely. Dcasawang1wall 12:20, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed, #5 per Lostris. Yz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 15:24, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #5 will be the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Lizard crow Edit

5-20-2012 Edit

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File:Lizard crow.jpg|Current image
File:Lizard crow in episode.jpg|Proposed replacement #1
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Lizard crow.png|Proposed replacement #2
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<gallery hideaddbutton="true" caption="Posterior addition">
Lizard crow proposal.png|Proposed replacement #3
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<gallery hideaddbutton="true" caption="Posterior addition">
Lizard crow cropped.png|Proposed replacement #4
</gallery></center>

Like the others, the lizard crow's picture is just its concept art. I have watch the seventh episode and this creature was shown in the industrial area. I feel the proposal was better than the current, with the better lighting, color, and angle. ― Acer Indonesia(talkAPhoa) Aang Sprite Season 3Korra Sprite-01 12:56, May 20, 2012

Approved for discussion. Dcasawang1wall 15:36, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I would support this were it not for the bottom of the image being cut off to obscure the nick logo. If the proper image can be uploaded, I'm all for it. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 16:20, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

I have added another proposal, since the type of file was different (the one I uploaded is a .png). My vote goes to proposal two per Acer, and since it is a .png file, is of higher quality that no. 1 and is not a crop. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 20:08, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with proposal #2, though a more centered image would be better imo, showing just one of the lizard crows. Dcasawang1wall 21:31, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with proposal #2 as well. However, I agree with DC in that if we had a more centered image, that would be better. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 22:02, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

I added proposal #3, which is more centered. Dcasawang1wall 01:06, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I usually do not like crops, since they mess up the format of the infobox. My vote still goes to 2. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 01:57, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I added proposal #4, which has been cropped to the 4:3 ratio. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me!) 06:33, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

All of the proposals seem fine to me. Proposal #4 has my vote. The picture's a good compromise between Proposals #1, #2, and #4; it's not too close up or too far back. Milkncookies11 (wallcontribs) 08:05, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Proposal #4 has my vote. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:50, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Proposal #4 will be the new image.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Aang Edit

5-20-2012 Edit

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File:Aang at Jasmine Dragon.png|Current image
File:AangNEW3.png|Proposed replacement #1
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<gallery hideaddbutton="true">
File:Aang_Prop_2.png|Proposed replacement #2
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I have fixed the proportions for the proposed, so lets try this again. I am proposing this change for a number of reasons. First of all, the current image has Aang looking slightly upwards, which is undesireable. Second, the current shows him in a special outfit that he only wore once. Finally, the proposed has Aang smiling, and wearing his normal clothing. This is the Aang that most fans know. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 01:00, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Dcasawang1wall 01:07, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
The proposal also has him looking upwards, which sort of contradicts that point. The current still displays his peaceful, at-ease personality in a high-quality image. No reason to change. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 02:41, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
The proposed image also has Aang at an aangle. Despite the current image having him slightly turned, it still resembles a portrait shot which is desirable. Despite the fact we only saw him in this outfit one time, the outfit is remarkably similar, with the exception of the necklace. His attitude in the image reflects his usual nature; peace and serenity. The proposed image appears to show him as a little sloppy, as he seemed to be a little..um, man, I can't find the right word for this. Slouching? Not to mention the current image has a better color palette and lighting. Vulmen (talkEoK) 02:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Per Vulmen and KFB, I support the current image. Annawantimes (Talk) 02:49, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
The angle of his head looks weird in the proposal; to me it looks literally like someone photoshopped an image of Aang without paying too much attention to body angle vs. face angle. Current, please. DesertDog (wall) 02:56, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Why are you guys willing to follow the "no special outfit" guideline on some images, but not all?... DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 13:30, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
It is only a guideline, not a rule. We try to avoid "special" outfits, but that doesn't mean we should replace it with a less desirable image. The proposal is not as good as what we have, so I say stick with the current. HAMMEROFTHOR 13:36, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

I just added a number two which, while not at a perfect aangle, it's still much better than the current. He's also depicted in his usual outfit, which is always a plus. The expression is, granted, less than ideal, but the one in the current makes him look kind of...sad. I support the chaange for #2.Firelordazula signatureAzula sprite23TeeAzula Sprite 00:22, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Still prefer the current. That proposal -- his smile makes him more look sly than carefree/peaceful, which is where the current has him. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 01:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
The proposals are far worse than the current. I'd prefer the current. --I'm The Bos Wall 21:49, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, you guys confuse me. Proposal #1 is a far better shot. It has a nicer color
palette, shows Aang in his normal outfit, he doesn't look sad at all, he's smiling, it's clear,
there's no strange coloration from the sky... DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:54, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I support the current image because the proposals are missing something or the other Zutarashipper 08:38, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
Current image will not be changed.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Ring announcer Edit

5-20-2012 Edit

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File:Ring announcer.png|Current image
File:Ring announcer proposal 01.png|Proposed replacement #1
File:Ring announcer proposal 02.png|Proposed replacement #2
File:Ring announcer proposal 03.png|Proposed replacement #3
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Ring announcer proposal 04.png|Proposed replacement #4
Ring_announcer_proposal_05a.png|Proposed replacement #5
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File:Ring announcer proposal.png|Proposed replacement #6
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The current way is too far back. I like either one of them. I think they depict his showmanship rather well. ― Thailog 11:54, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Dcasawang1wall 15:36, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree with the change. The current has a beautiful background of the Arena, and shows the announcer in the best pose. I wouldn't change this image. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
The background is irrelevant for the subject, and even distracting. He is positioned sideways in the current one. Either one of the proposed images shows more of his face. ― Thailog 00:26, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I admit it is tough finding a good shot of him for a profile image as each one of these has its issues: #1 has him facing downwards and his face mostly shadowed, #2 was almost perfect if it weren't for him facing sideways and blankly staring up into the sky, and #3 has the same problem of his face being shadowed. If I were to choose, I'll pick #3. Axiovatar Talk 07:27, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

The current image only gives us a view of half of his face, and from a distance. I support #3, while it's still a bit far off, we can see his face without the very awkward expression he has in #4. Annawantimes (Talk) 14:09, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


On the other hand, I've found a relatively balanced shot of him in episode 5 (Proposal #4). It has good lighting, a frontal shot of him and a clear look of his face. Only issue is the hand, I believe. Axiovatar Talk 07:27, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I like Proposal #4 best for all the reasons Axiovatar stated. I don't think the hand is much of a problem. Milkncookies11 (wallcontribs) 08:10, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if the current only shows us half of his face. The shot showcases his PERSONALITY perfectly, and that is what we need. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:49, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
This is not a Personality profile image; it's a Character profile image. Actually seeing the face is kind of important. The current one shows it the least. "Personalty" takes a back seat to physical depiction.
Number 4 is not bad; maybe cropping though? I like #3 a little more. ― Thailog 22:52, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
How's #5? I like it. — Hasdi Bravo • 23:37, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Number five and four are good, I'd be fine with either, but I'd prolly lean towards #5 since it's closer up. They both show his personality and his face, I think. MibuWolf 00:47, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
I'm still confused about the ratio for profile images. Is 444x250/400x200 the only acceptable ratio, or do we include anything of equal width? And shouldn't it be listed as 333x250 instead in the Lok Procedure above, since most if not all uses 333? Axiovatar Talk 02:14, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't take part of that ratio discussion but I favor 250px width since that is the standard width of the images used in infoboxes, but this can be overridden to 200px...300px as necessary. Anything that is not multiple of 250px gets digitally interpolated and may end up looking "blurry". If it is a non-multiple bigger than 600px, the bluriness is not too noticeable. 375px width can work too (1.5x 250px). My 2 cents. — Hasdi Bravo • 14:36, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Rather late to add a new image, I know, but I was reviewing an episode and came across #6 and since the proposal hadn't been closed down anyway and there wasn't a clear preference, I thought, why not. 6 has good lighting and quality and is a lose shot with a neutral expression that also shows his entertainment side without being over the top. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 21:58, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I like it! Support. ― Thailog 21:59, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
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Lin Beifong Edit

5-21-2012 Edit

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I think the proposal demonstrates Lin's personality just as well as the current image, but itself is a much better image in general. The lighting in the proposal is appropriate, the screencap is head on and shows all of Lin's prominent features, particularly her scars and green eyes. The subject matter is more of the focus, since there are no people in the background to add as obstruction. The expression on her face is much less awkward as well.

PS, I didn't quite understand the TLOK proposal rules and so I'm not sure if I'm even allowed to make this proposal since we just recently changed Lin's image, but it's worth a shot. Waterbending emblem Water Spout 20:09, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Dcasawang1wall 21:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with changing the image to proposal #1. It's a great shot, and frankly she doesn't
look as old in this one when compared to the current. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 21:47, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I support the change. I always thought the current kind of looked like she had tasted something sour. Yz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 21:55, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I like the proposal a lot! In-character and without distracting elements. ― Thailog 22:46, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Support per Thailog. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 22:48, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Definitely a better picture than the current; it has better contrast and shows her facial features more clearly. Support. Uiop60 22:49, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Per Uiop60. Axiovatar Talk 02:04, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I added proposal #2, which shows more of her. Dcasawang1wall 23:05, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm... no. Me like #1 better. Sorry. — Hasdi Bravo • 23:38, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
I support changing the current profile picture to Proposal #1, as it's still centered on her face and an accurate representation of, without making her look like the most sour person on earth. Sorry, DC, but Proposal #2 has too much background and not enough Lin for my tastes (though it does show more of her), and Proposal #1 really seems more similar to the other profile pics we already have in place for the first series's characters. Toph's Fanboy Read My Fanon! http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv319/flutflutflyer/TokkaSpriteSig.png 04:20, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm adding proposal #3. It has good quality and it shows more of her, so I felt it was worth adding. Yz2907 (wallcontribsquotes) 05:44, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


Added another one to give more options. It's a HD shot and a bit more far off, so the insignia on her chest is also shown. The lighting is good, and she doesn't have such a sour expression as in the current image. I thus support #4, and if that doesn't have enough support, than I vote #1. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 10:07, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I support 1, per Thailog and Uiop ^^. Annawantimes (Talk) 14:32, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, I think number 1 is definitely best. HAMMEROFTHOR 14:40, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I also change my vote, to proposal 4, for the reasons stated by Lostris. However, if that image doesn't get much support, I also vote for proposal 1. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 11:58, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Either #1 and #4 would work, but #4 could be cropped to 250px width as that is the standard width for the infoboxes. Uhm... why are using 333x250 px again? Icon_eh.gifHasdi Bravo • 14:40, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
I like proposal 3 best, with its cleaner background and dramatic lighting that doesn't wash her face out. DesertDog (wall) 03:46, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
The lighting's better in proposal 4, but the image is closer up in proposal 1. I'd support both, but the edge goes to #1 in my mind. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 12:56, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
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Hiroshi Sato Edit

5-23-2012 Edit

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Now that we know Hiroshi is indeed an Equalist (and a sinister one at that), the current image cannot be any less fitting. The image should portray Hiroshi's nefarious side, which I believe the proposed image does well. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me!) 07:41, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I'm inclined to support the current still because although Hiroshi is revealed to be an Equalist, his cover was that of the rich businessman, thus that is the way the majority of the people knows him. Pure image-wise is the current also better when it comes to coloring, light and shades. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:50, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I also say that we keep the current. Although he is an Equalist, he is also a businessman, and is responsible for the creation of the Satomobile, and that is how he got rich and famous. So anyway, I say we keep the current. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 11:30, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I support the current, per Lostris. Annawantimes (Talk) 14:54, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Stick with the current for the reasons above. DesertDog (wall) 03:12, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
I support the current, per all. --Wangfire94 (wallcontribs) 00:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
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Mako Edit

5-23-2012 Edit

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The current image is out of proportion (and too big), is of low quality and is not from an episode. The images I am proposing are of high quality, from an episode and with a proper ratio. They also feature Mako is his usual outfit - the grey coat he wears and his scarf. The image does show a neutral expressions of him, but that also displays part of his concerns from time to time. Overall, I believe that either of the two proposals will be better than the current image. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 00:55, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion.
I'm all for moving away from the an art image to a better series image, but that's not going to happen for me with the current proposals. The first one has Asami in the background, which is 1. not preferred and 2. will flame all the Makorra shippers that Mako's profile image has "the other woman" in it. As for #2 (same as with #1 as well), I don't see the neutral expression you are referring to. I see an awkward pose where Mako seems to be biting his lip. So I support the current for now. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:12, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Per Lady - I don't like either of these proposals...just too awkward. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 07:18, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Although the current image is art, I prefer it to the rather strange proposed images. 151.95.9.215 09:19, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I also say we should keep the current, for the reasons LL has stated. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 11:31, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I have to oppose these proposals, per Lostris. Mako's expression just way too awkward for a good profile image. Annawantimes (Talk) 14:57, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I like proposal number 2--The Origin of Despair (wallcontribs) 22:29, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I addded another proposal, one that has him smiling. The image depict his character as a friendly guy. --Dino crisis fan

This one works for me. Tho I'm not sure what he's staring at... Axiovatar Talk 10:39, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
I've re-uploaded #3 in the .PNG format, which should take care of the blurriness if that was a problem for anyone. Annawantimes (Talk) 16:14, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
I don't like any of the proposals. 1 and 2 are... weird...and 3 has too much bright lighting. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 19:08, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
I don't like any of the proposals to be honest either. I've seen many other good shots, but these aren't so good. —JuniperAlien (talk) 07:42, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should keep it how it is. There is no need to fix what is not broken. That's just my opinion. I <3 Avatar! - Airbender1998 (wallcontribs) 20:08, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think any of these proposals are good enough to be used. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 22:25, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly I think the current is fine, yes it was never in an episode, and I don't think its the right size, but really who cares, it depicts his personality perfectly, and he isn't in an awkward pose, I think its is fine but if I had to pick I like #4 or #5, except one is... really pixled and the other is too big. Wildfire http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh604/wildfire32/Borra-chao4.gif 23:21, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
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Bolin Edit

5-23-2012 Edit

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Bolin's current image is an artwork.These proposal replacements are better because it's Bolin with a T-shirt. It's a kind off casual Bolin. LegendaryNinja 07:04, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion (I removed the other proposal as the image was too long and to awkwardly cropped).
I disagree with this change. Although not a shot from the series, it does portray Bolin as he is: a happy, strong kid with an Earth Kingdom attire. Although he's smiling, it's rather undesirable for an infobox image that he has his arms stretched out like that (and he's not wearing his normal outfit -or even a proper outfit at all.) Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 07:12, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
No...just no to this proposal. It's not really that much of a typical pose of him - out of his normal clothing, said clothing appearing tattered...the arms out with him apparently exclaiming something...do not want. Katara and Bolin Fanboy Send me a messenger hawk Katara Sprite Season 3Bolin sprite 07:18, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I also disagree with this proposed change. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 11:32, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Added two new proposals. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 12:21, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


I addded another proposal, one that has him smiling and carrying Pabu. Both are representative of his character. --I'm The Bos Wall 13:08, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

No...just...no. No offense to the proposers, but all of these images are absolutely terrible in one way or another. The first one has his arms outstretched and he's wearing a beater, the second two have him at a very awkward expression, and his hand is seen, and the third one, though the best of the proposed, has bad lighting and his face doesn't really stand out--honestly, I'm more drawn to Pabu than Bolin in that one.
The current, for the reasons mentioned above.Firelordazula signatureAzula sprite23TeeAzula Sprite 16:19, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

I've zoomed in the image and replaced it in 333x250 ratio, and I know that the coloring may be off, but if it can be edited slightly, I would think that this is the best Bolin image we have thus far. --I'm The Bos Wall 19:25, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Don't know why, but Bolin's head looks to small for the rest of his body in proposal 5. 4 is too dark, 2 and 3 are just way too awkward, and 1 is undesirable per my previous reasoning. The current one portrays him quite nicely, even though not an episode shot. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 22:28, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Per LL. Acer Indonesia(talkAPhoa) Aang Sprite Season 3Korra Sprite-01 07:42, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
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Saikhan Edit

5-25-2012 Edit

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To move away from the concept art we have of him now, I suggest we change it to an image of him in good lighting, sharp, with a neutral expression. Lady Lostris vstf (talkHotN) 12:39, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed and approved. I had the same image to upload, and I just hadn't gotten to upload it yet. --I'm The Bos Wall 13:27, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
Absolutely agree. Good lighting, good depiction of his personality. HAMMEROFTHOR 13:33, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
A near perfect shot indeed. No objections here. Axiovatar Talk 13:43, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
Yay, a good image of him. I'm for this per everyone :) Wildfire http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh604/wildfire32/Borra-chao4.gif 20:57, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
Agreed, and I think this might be our only chance to get a good photo of him. Hopemon (wallcontribs) 20:59, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
Great proposal, definitely agree. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 22:19, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
He's been in need of a screenshot image for awhile now, and I agree with the proposed picture. Toph's Fanboy Read My Fanon! http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv319/flutflutflyer/TokkaSpriteSig.png 22:22, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
I, too, agree with the proposal; per the reasons mentioned above. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 22:54, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
Proposed, per all of the above; there's no reason not to. DesertDog (wall) 12:20, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
I'm for the proposal, it's a suitable image and best of all, it's a step away from the concept art. Annawantimes (Talk) 22:10, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
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Tenzin Edit

5-25-2012 Edit

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I propose we change Tenzin's picture. The current is too close to his face. The proposed, however, shows his shoulders, as well as having better lighting. DarkKnightRises (wallcontribs) 22:45, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. Dcasawang1wall 04:05, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Current, by far. Tenzin is shown in an irritable mood, from a distance, and the image is not as clear as the current. --I'm The Bos Wall 04:11, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I see nothing wrong with how close up it is in the current, we can see his face clearly, and it portrays his personality just fine. I also don't really see anything wrong with the lighting. Annawantimes (Talk) 04:14, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
Current. It is mainly his face we're interested in for the lead image. DesertDog (wall) 12:18, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
I am one-hundred percent against the change. As mentioned above, the current one shows Tenzin in a normal mood, and there is nothing wrong with it being a close-up. Matey Y. (wallA:TLoM)http://mob1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh621/MateyYanakiev/1334279415.gif 17:15, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
"Tenzin is shown in an irritable mood," I see nothing wrong with that characterization. He's in an irritable mood often. ;-) That said, I am against the change as well, for all the other mentioned reasons. User:Wan-Shi-Tong-Servant/signature (wallcontribs) 07:53, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Current per Wan Shi Tong. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 19:26, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
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