Approved Proposals



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File:Ozai.[png]|Proposed replacement

It's pass due time to get this one resolved.

Like I said a year and a half ago, I think that the current infobox image is an atypical representation of Ozai. He is, like Azula, usually devoid of emotion. Moreover, the current displays movement, and, IMO, profile images should be as close as possible to text book photos, which this one is. ? Thailog 12:34, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I find the current image to be fitting for Ozai's personality, as while he usually acts cool and calm he always maintains an undertone of menace. However, observing the two images one to the other, I find the suggested image to be of better quality. At first I didn't like the ambiance of the photo, it seemed to discolor it some. Yet, it's a plus we get to see all of him in it. And yes, it does portray how he usually is. I Support Support — it. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 16:33, January 16, 2011 (UTC) Ah; yes... admin approval first. =S
Proposed change has been approved - I agree with this proposed image change, for the reasons Thailog stated. I'm very against "action poses" for accurate profile images on wikis. The 888th Avatar (talk) 03:55, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Neutral Neutral — Both are great. Renatabls 30px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 04:26, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Neutral Neutral — Per Renatabls AvaFan (msg) 11:46, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Support Support — [[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 04:53, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but this is not a voting procedure; it is a discussion. If you disagree with the proposal you have to support your claim. If you agree, you can state it or say nothing at all, but let's leave the support/oppose buttons for ballots, which only take place when there's no consensus between all the people involved. Being "neutral" doesn't add anything to the discussion one way or the other, so let's avoid it. ? Thailog 12:12, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the change. As Vulmen said, "he usually acts cool and calm he always maintains an undertone of menace". And the background is more appropriate. Dcasawang1 - Talk 17:19, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. The curremt image shows what I believe is the most fitting side of his personality: dominating and cruel. Unlike Azula, Ozai does have emotions, usually fury, rage and anger. I think the image of him rejoicing before causing suffering depicts him perfectly. --I'm The Bos - Talk - Guardian 17:36, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, Ozai's expression in the current picture is maniacal and rather deranged; you are projecting your perception about particular events onto the image. It is a profile image: it has no caption (nor should it) and thus has no context. So, inaccurate representations may be dangerously misleading. Also, he is donning adornments that he only used for a brief moment. This is hardly what you’d call an accurate depiction of the character. ? Thailog 18:15, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal. [[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 23:47, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will replace the current one.
Please do not edit this discussion.


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File:Ozai Sozin's Comet.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:Ozai.[png]|Current version

I think that he looks more evil in this picture. It's also from Season 3 and when he's on the way to the Earth Kingdom to burn it down/battle Aang. One of his character-defining moments, you can see the nature of his intentions and thirst for power in his facial expression. He looks too passive in the current version. AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 18:28, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not rejecting this proposal out of hand, because you did go to the effort of explaining your proposal, but we did just vote on a new profile picture of Ozai not too long ago, with the exact same two pictures as the voting options. XD You might want to privately consult a couple of users about this - I'm prepared to guess that enthusiasm for a change back won't be too high. The 888th Avatar (talk) 10:04, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

How's [png this] for a pic? It show's his evil-ness.Iceland77 talkcontribs 21:19, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

I like that picture, but it's too close up. I still like the first proposal. --I'm The Bos - Talk - Guardian 21:21, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

I like his picture in that one too. Problem is he's not wearing a shirt. I'd stick with the first one. --AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 22:06, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

didnt we already vote for this? i actually like the proposed replacement better.Skybender101 - Talk Katara PL Sprite 22:08, February 15, 2011 (UTC)Skybender101

Same. I meant I liked the proposed replacement. I was speaking in reference to the one Iceland brought up. --AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 22:23, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

I believe 888 meant make a blog or something, as this is not in the "Approved Proposals". Still; for my say; I don't think it should go back up seeing as it was just voted out. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 00:22, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
In future, please don't post here until the proposal has been approved - any communication about the proposal should be in private/through user talk. There appears to be something in this, but I'm not very happy about having to discuss this again so soon after we had just discussed the matter. :( Proposal has been approved for discussion.
For my part, I am against this change back to the old image for Ozai. As I said the last time we discussed this: "I'm very against 'action poses' for accurate profile images on wikis." We would have inconsistency we would have if we used the proposed replacement - observe the gallery of main character images we have on the main page. The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:57, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
No, no, no, no NO! 888, I'm very sorry to go over your head, but this is not how this procedure is supposed to go. It make NO sense to have another proposal to restore the original image!! There was a discussion on this issue not long ago, as you noted, and the current proposer had three days to voice his opinion like everyone else. If he missed it, too bad. If we allow this to happen, it renders this whole initiative useless and pointless. He will have to curb to the majority of said discussion. Sorry again. ? Thailog 08:10, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
I understand that a proposal to change something back when we've just discussed it is frustrating to those who posted last time (and I'm one of those people who did), but nowhere in the procedural detail on this page does it say we can't discuss what we've already discussed. I don't like this either - I'm against frequent back-and-forth - but if there's no policy on it, or no well-established guideline, it is unreasonable to quash discussion on the matter. Consensus can change on a wiki, and it has changed here on Avatar Wiki before. I suggest that this proposal be discussed per normal. However, we should also establish limits on how quickly the same article profile image can go up again for discussion for future proposals - I'd say this should be well over a month. (I'm sorry, but I've also moved this back.) The 888th Avatar (talk) 09:05, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not reverting this back because an edit war between admins does not bode well on the site, but despite the lack of written policy on how long a discussion can be reopened, there is a modicum of common sense that we can exercised when approving proposals. And this one should have been rejected because #1 the arguments raised by the proposers were already discussed and rebutted before and #2 his other argument is unfounded, as he claims that the proposed replacement is from season 3, but so is the current one, so... so what? The proposer is not claiming anything we haven't contemplated before, so on what ground does this proposal stand? Also, the first change was proposed on January 16, by which time the current editor was already an active contributor, so he had the chance to participate in the discussion. The point of this procedure is, as you very well know, to guarantee some stability and curtail whimsical changes, and this proposal is the poster child of that. Not to mention that, if there's a flaw in the policy, it should be resolved aside from the proposal that raised the issue, not subsequently. This right here is not any different from someone proposing a different article to be featured in the same month after another had been approved. Unreasonable is reopening a reverse picture change discussion based on arguments that had been discussed and refuted via standard procedure once. ? Thailog 09:57, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, the problem is opinion regarding what falls under "common sense", then. :) My idea of what falls under common sense is, of course, going to differ from yours - we're human, after all. That's why we make these policies and procedures, so that we don't have to resort to discretion. I fully support building policy to curb constant discussions on the same subject. However, I personally would find it difficult to justify striking down a proposal by constructing policy around it, as opposed to defeating a proposal through providing the most persuasive arguments and bringing in new policy to prevent future problems.
Regarding this proposal itself, I'm aware the arguments in favour of the image that is being proposed now have been addressed before. However, debate is a an affair in which the arguments go back and forth - if a point has been addressed, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is proven beyond any doubt whatsoever. If that were the case, our world would be very different indeed. The 888th Avatar (talk) 10:46, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess that's where we differ. I wouldn't find it difficult at all to justify rejecting this proposal, as I think I just did it. Though, I do apologize for reverting your edits, as I should have respected your initial judgment.
As for the proposal at hands, the opinions of the participants in the original discussion still stand, even if they decide not participate in this one. If they, for some reason, change their mind, they need to voice it. I will not allow this policy loophole to be exploited to circumvent community consensus. I still think this proposal is an exercise of poor judgment and futility, not to mention an outright disregard for a community agreement. ? Thailog 12:18, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...idk witch one to choose, both are perfect. Renatabls 32px|link=User:Renatabls/Zuko's_Life 15:29, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will remain unchanged.
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The Boiling Rock, Part 1


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File:Boiling_Rock.[png]|Proposed replacement #1

The current picture of the article The Boiling Rock, Part 1 is not from it. I watched the episode twice and i didn't see that picture during the episode, i also have another reason: bad quality. Renatabls 32px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 23:05, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 07:46, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

How is that "bad quality" exactly? ? Thailog 07:55, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be bad quality. Anyway, if the image is indeed, not in that episode, then the image should be changed. This is a good replacement. Will94 (Talk - Teru) 08:02, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal. It's definitely a better quality then before, plus it shows the prison cooler. AvaFan (msg) 08:06, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think she means it's bad quality because of the fog, I agree because this shows the prison in a better position,-- Courage the Cowardly User Message Me Friends 08:09, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree as this image features the coolers.

[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 14:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I like it. --I'm The Bos - Talk - Guardian 16:19, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Support Support I like the new picture. It has no fog in it like the other one. --—Anr0328 16:57, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the change. The image has to be from its episode. Dcasawang1 - Talk 16:59, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Support Support This one's better I think. The fog kind of ruins the old picture. But in the other picture, you see more of it. So... :/ Support I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JaidynM (talkcontribs). This note was added on 04:09, January 23, 2012 (UTC).

As this is a discussion, not a vote, we would prefer if people didn't use our voting templates. :) The 888th Avatar (talk) 06:10, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think it is a good idea. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 18:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, good work as always Renata Millennia2 (TalkStart Running) 05:56, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

For the record, the primary reason to change the image ("the current one is from another episode") is probably the most valid reason that anyone can ever give to propose a change. However, the secondary one (the current image is of bad quality) should be avoided. In this particular case, there's nothing wrong with the current image's quality. The fog is a characteristic of the depicted place, and therefore it is an accurate depiction of it. ? Thailog 13:16, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will replace the current one.
Please do not edit this discussion.



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File:Toph slides.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:Earthbending.[png]|Proposed replacement #2

I believe that Earthbending should get a new profile picture as the current one does not truly represent Earthbending, nor does it represent the subject well. Even more so, the blurred center is somewhat distracting, and takes away from the image, even if it is not meant to be the main focus.

[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 18:18, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 22:29, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely the pic with Bumi. I think it does more a job portraying the manipulation.. I don't know, it seems that Toph's displayed ability seems a bit more... lax? Vulmen (talkcontribs) 22:31, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
The current picture is just fine. I like the idea of having a new picture, but I think we should keep the current one. It gives a more distinguished look of the art. There are plenty of other articles that need some assistance with images, but the current one is okay. Though, it would be nice if the current image was not so obfuscous. A good photoshop job.  =)  --—Anr0328 01:47, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
I think #2 because of the better angle and the better look, it shows Earthbending as a fighting pose. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 02:00, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
I completely disagree with the replacement of the current image. Let's take a second to think what kind of page we are talking about. It concerns primarily a type of bending, which is a fighting style. Replacement #1 does not represent that, but a secondary use for bending. Replacement #2 shows Bumi standing on a rock square, doing what seems like to be hiding a pile of rocks "under the rug." Neither are an accurate depiction of Earthbending, while the current image is not only consistent with the images from the Air and Waterbending pages (in which the subjects are facing the screen) but it also depicts a standard Earthbending stance. It also shows a bender raising two streams of earth, which is very much what the Earthbending fighting style boils down to. So what if he is in the depth of field? As a profile image, it serves its purpose: a quick and straightforward example of this fighting style. ? Thailog 12:13, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
I think the current image is fine as well. Unlike character profile images, we don't really need a focus on the character at all, so I don't think the blurriness really matters. The current image shows a very standard stance and a very standard move, and I believe it is representative of the bending art. The 888th Avatar (talk) 12:48, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. The current image is fine. The options show movements that are not commonly used, not every character can do these techniques. The current one is more characteristic of the Earthbending used by most of the benders. Dcasawang1 - Talk 13:48, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, the current picture shows one of the most easiest moviments of earthbending, the only thing a agree is that the earthbender is blurred. (i don't know if i explaned very well...) Renatabls 32px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 16:02, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Mmm....and I slip back to saying leave the picture be. That's what I first said; I shouldn't have second-guessed it. I agree the current image shows the bending art in action the clearest. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 17:47, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really like the current image, but I agree with Thailog that the proposed replacement is not sufficient either. Perhaps close the discussion temporarily, until an appropriate image is located. Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 01:32, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Seconded with Thailog, although the stances and movements of earthbending are strong, stable and rigid (Hung Gar style), much like Bumi in the second picture. If I may, I'll purpose [png this image] AvaFan MsgMe 08:09, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Not at this point, and the general consensus is that the current image is fine. ? Thailog 10:13, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will remain unchanged.
Please do not edit this discussion.



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File:Kyoshi.[png]|Current image
File:Avatar Kyoshi.[png]|Proposed replacement #1

I believe that Kyoshi's display image should be changed as the one currently in use does not put more focus to her facial features. Even more so, the quality of the image is rather low.

My proposal is far clearer, and clearly shows Avatar Kyoshi's face. It generally follows image guidelines set in precedence with regards to how the shoulders and face are focused as well as how the background is not considerably detracting from the subject. The frame is also effective in showing Kyoshi's rather forthright attitude, and thus is a perfect image to highlight her character.

[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 04:30, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Better coloration of the photo; more detailed look at her face and expression... and it follows similar standards as per many other character pages by providing a more similar portrait shot of her. Sure, make the change. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 05:05, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Able to see the full face and head, and shoulders, better colouration and Kyoshi's facial expression represents her seriousness completely. Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 05:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree completely with the proposal AvaFan MsgMe 08:16, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Per Vulmen. I agree with the change. We had that one before as the profile image, I don't know who changed it. Dcasawang1 - Talk 13:16, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I concur. The face is much more important than the rest of her costume, doubled for Kyoshi because of the make-up. There are plenty of other opportunities to show off her green kimono in the body of the article. DesertDog (talk) 13:31, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree Renatabls 32px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 23:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

As per will94 Toph Lover Toph-chao1 Toph-DoBS-2 01:28, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Per WS. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 03:01, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, actually 100%. I think all past avatars should have images of them in the blue spirit form. Much like Fang. This is a good image, but I think all past avatars, like I said, should be imaged in the spirit world. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:24, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I strongly disagree to this notion. This would mean that Aang would have to have a spirit world profile pic once Legend of Korra comes out, as he is not "Current". I don't feel that is appropriate in this situation. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 19:26, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
Idk, Vulmen... When Korra comes out maybe then we can do what I said suggested, if we see him in spirit form that is... I'll agree to the change of this image... for now.. *Stares at you evil like, then backs away into the darkness...* 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:34, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
Lol Ian!! Yes, this is a problem. Perhaps once Aang's history is expanded on in LoK, then maybe we can change the infobox image. It is a complicated predicament. But I say this now, what we will not do is have two images of Aang (one old one young) and crop them together. That just looks horrible. Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 06:39, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will replace the current one.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The Southern Air Temple


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File:Southern Air Temple.[png]|Current Picture
File:Sairtemple.[png]|Proposed Replacement

I don't feel that the current picture doesn't do the episode justice. The two other episodes that detail the North and West Air Temples both have pictures of the temple itself, and I feel we should try to continue that for this episode. Millennia2 02:22, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I rather like the suggested change, for one the current image being crooked as it is leaves me feeling a little topsy turvy when looking at it. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 05:06, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Good replacement, reminds me of the episode more than the current image. Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 05:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly with the change. With the current image, like Vulmen stated, the tipped look is somewhat distracting, and not fitting for an infobox. More so, I don't think showing a character's back is that desirable in any case.

[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 05:42, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

The proposed picture shows the Western Air Temple in whole. Which fits the title of the chapter unlike the current one which shows a statue of monk gyatso. AvaFan MsgMe 08:24, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

If the other episodes have the temple as the main image, then why the Southern one doesn't. Dcasawang1 - Talk 13:16, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

The episode is about exploring the temple, not Gyatso specifically. The overall view of the temple is better suited. An off-kilter shot is referred to in the industry as Dutch angle. DesertDog (talk) 13:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the change because proposed one shows the principal thing of the episode. Renatabls 32px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 23:30, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, i agree with Millennia2 Toph Lover Toph-chao1 Toph-DoBS-2 01:28, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

I concur. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 03:01, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

OMG Yes yes yes!  --—Anr0328 15:39, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, much much better. :) 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:24, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will replace the current one.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Kyoshi Warriors


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The current image is very dated, from the fourth episode I believe. And the proposed replacement is from the last episode, and the picture quality is much better. The image is larger, and the placement of the characters are the same, if not a little better. Also their costumes/outfits/armor is more updated, and the four warriors beside Suki actually look different, and not butch, a little pretty if I might say so myself. Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 04:55, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

This gives a full picture of the Kyoshi Warriors there, rather than the random few cut off and standing at odd positions as per the current photo. Also, the suggest photo has a more deep green hue..much more distinguishable as compared to the faded look of the current photo in comparison. The characters appear to be more centered in it. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 05:08, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Current image looks rather bland. Proposed in much deeper in coloration and the warriors are centered. Great find!

[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 05:42, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

The suggested one looks a bit blurry. And we don't get to see their faces clearly too. AvaFan MsgMe 08:26, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Latest image of the Kyoshi Warriors (Book 3). I agree with the change. All the faces are complete. Dcasawang1 - Talk 13:16, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I like the proposed change better but for one thing. The saturation is better (Though that could be fixed for the first, I think) and the other warriors are more individuals rather than "the pack." The one thing I don't like is that the background is not as clean as the original; its clutter distracts fro the Warriors a bit. If the building behind them could be knocked back a bit, that would be great. DesertDog (talk) 13:56, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree because the proposed one shows more details. Renatabls 32px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 23:29, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

You can actually see all of them Toph Lover Toph-chao1 Toph-DoBS-2 01:30, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 03:01, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

We have had this proposition two years ago and it failed because of this discussion, in which we decided that we had to reuse images on most articles as possible to curtail our disproportionate Image to Page ratio. If the proposed image replaces the current one, then it will have to replace it in [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]#File_links|all pages]], and we'll have to find a new image for The Warriors of Kyoshi that is already on the database. If everyone is fine with that, then the change goes, otherwise, will be null and void. ? Thailog 17:15, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I understand where Thailog is coming from. Is there no other image with the Kyoshi Warriors.. what about a snap of them in Appa's Lost Days, I'm sure we can get a good one there... maybe...1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:27, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

IMO if the suggested picture replaces the current picture..I still don't see a problem with it. It's a much better shot of the Kyoshi Warriors. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 19:29, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's a matter of complying with our image policy which prompts us to "use [images] sparingly, and whenever possible on more than one single article, instead of using different pictures to illustrate the same subject". If [[:File:Ep61-1176.[png]|Ep61-1176]] replaces [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]|Ep4-54]] then it should happen on every venue, which will leave the replaced image on only the episode page, so we should find another image of that episode to replace the current one. ? Thailog 22:51, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, and argh. I hadn't checked that it was used as a profile pic for that ep. That does kinda put a hit on things. This one suggestion ends up being two suggestions... heh. Well, there's [[:File:Episode_04-The_Warriors_of_Kyoshi.[png]|This picture]] but it more focuses on Suki. Hum, that is a predicament indeed.. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 23:01, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
I did try looking for a good image of the Kyoshi Warriors in Appa's Lost Days, but unfortunately there wasn't a great one of them. Then I remembered they appeared in this episode. And I understand what Thailog means completely, but the image is already on the wiki, does it really matter having one more? Perhaps it is time to clean up old unused images, I dunno, but I think we all agree that this image is pretty perfect for the article. Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 08:54, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
No; I agree with Thailog that having two pictures of the same thing (pretty much) is in essence needless duplication. I don't like it either; 'cause it does create an issue with the Warriors of Kyoshi page. But, regardless the problem is still there. So; with that I question what is a good idea for continuing this topic forward? Within this request for image change, suggest a change for the Warriors of Kyoshi episode page? That essentially makes this request a dual request. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 17:28, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Though it doesn't necessarily solve the issue, my suggestion would be to replace the principal shot from the episode page. Perhaps an action shot of the warriors?

[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 17:40, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

I'm ok with [[:File:Episode_04-The_Warriors_of_Kyoshi.[png]|this one]], but if there are issues we can/should open a new proposal. ? Thailog 17:59, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with that one as well. In all honesty, the current image is far too bland for my liking.
[[Video:Waterbending_emblem.[png]|25px|link=User:Water Spout]] Water Spout 18:00, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
I'm in agreement. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 18:04, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't like that one.. Ian does not approve. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 18:11, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not, the article is about The Kyoshi Warriors, but [[:File:Episode_04-The_Warriors_of_Kyoshi.[png]|this one]] only shows... 3 of them instead of the entire group. I prefer to change the episode picture instead. AvaFan MsgMe 18:27, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will replace the current one.
Please do not edit this discussion.

New Ozai Governor


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File:New Ozai Governor.[png]|Current Photo
File:GOVERNOR.[png]|Proposed replacement #1

Bigger quality, the current one i've cut him from another image, but the proposed one is just him. And, in proposed one the Governor has a face "angry" and the current one he's confuse, as he is from the Fire Nation, the right image should be one that he' all the Fire Nation citizen are. Renatabls 32px|link=User_talk:Renatabls 01:03, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 01:15, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Not every member of the Fire Nation is an always-angry kinda guy/gal. Lo/Li, Iroh, Jeong Jeong.. and I don't think it fits this guy either. He was actually weak-minded and timid, ready to turn over control of an entire city without consultation with his superiors to save his child. I doubt that would have went well for him. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:41, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Keep the original. Cleaner view of his face, and the expression fits. DesertDog (talk) 06:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Don't change it. The first one is better.  --—Anr0328 15:41, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

The current image is fine. Dcasawang1 - Talk 20:52, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

The first one is clearer. Toph Lover Toph-chao1 Toph-DoBS-2 23:30, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

This is a standard character misconception and misrepresentation: not everyone from the Fire Nation are angry people. Case in point: Ursa. ? Thailog 17:20, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the change, but maybe Water Spout can lighten the proposed image a bit.. it seams rather dark... 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:29, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, what makes you desire the suggested pic more than the current one? Vulmen (talkcontribs) 19:31, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
The current image seems a little lower in quality. The facial expression in the proposed image makes him look like he is thinking "Oh man! I need to do something! But what?", as the current image he looks like he thinking "Don't look at me, I don't know.". From the episodes this guy didn't seam as unintelligent as the current image portrays, but a determined leader who still depended on others input before he makes his decision.. if that makes sense... 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:43, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah that made sense, nicely explained. But; he didn't wait for input... in the episode, he really did act "Oh man! What do I do!" didn't he? He went bonkers when the "plague" erupted and sent everybody out without consorting with anyone first. Then the next thing he does is fly by the seat of his pants to get his kid back, willing to trade Bumi for his son again without consorting for help or opinions. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 19:48, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
-Shrug- whatever the case, the proposed image is better. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 19:53, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
That is true. The suggested picture is obviously of better quality. =| Vulmen (talkcontribs) 20:00, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
I actually think it is nice. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 02:46, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I can't discern consensus from this discussion. It also seems that some have changed their minds. So, to resolve this, let's start casting votes below: do you support or oppose to the replacement?

Support Support — What i said above, the image is in better quality than the current. Renatabls 19:21, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with the quality of the current image. Both are DVD captures, so both are clean screenshots. Moreover, this is not an argument to replace an image with a different one, and I'd appreciate if "quality" would stop being used as a banner to change images. If an image is of low quality, then it should be overwritten with the exact same one, but of higher quality. ? Thailog 22:39, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose — As it portrays his personality differently, more sternly than ought be. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 22:21, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose — Per Vulmen. ? Thailog 22:48, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose — Better view of his face. DesertDog (talk) 00:17, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose OpposeVJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 02:58, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose — Per Vulmen and DesertDog. Dcasawang1 - Talk 16:37, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose — I agree with Vulmen. The replacement picture makes him look tough, which he isn't. The old pic makes him look straight-edge and awkward, which he is. --AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 18:55, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose OpposeAvaFan MsgMe 07:13, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

It seems the image won't be changed D: Ok then :) Renatabls 32px|link=User:Renatabls/Zuko's_Life 01:22, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will remain unchanged.
Please do not edit this discussion.

The Warriors of Kyoshi


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File:Episode_04-The_Warriors_of_Kyoshi.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:ZukoKyoshi.[png]|Proposed replacement #2

Per this recent replacement, this [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]|file]] is now only on one page, and as per our image policy, we should find another suiting image that's already on the database to depict the same subject. ? Thailog 13:54, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 13:23, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not grasping the intention of the image policy alluded to. Is it that the top image on the Kyoshi Warriors page has to be used for every mention of the KWs on every page? In any event, if the choice is between these two, go with the first; it shows the characteristics of the Kyoshi Warriors (facepaint and uniform) much better than the second. It does kind of focus on Suki, though DesertDog (talk) 14:17, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
The policy says that we should use only one image to depict one subject on every venue as possible, as opposed to having two similar images. Originally, [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]|Ep4-54.[png]]] was on every page depicting the Kyoshi Warriors, such as Earth Kingdom, Suki, Fanon:Burning Attack, and the episode The Warriors of Kyoshi. Right now, that image has been replaced with [[:File:Kyoshi Warriors.[png]|Kyoshi Warriors.[png]]] on every venue except the episode page, so we now have two images depicting the same concept while we only need one. Therefore, if [[:File:Kyoshi Warriors.[png]|Kyoshi Warriors.[png]]] is used to depict the Kyoshi Warriors, then the episode page should have a different picture to depict the overall concept of the episode (an image that's already on the database). ? Thailog 18:58, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, this has been drug out too long in my opinion. Honestly, thinking about it all this time, I don't see a point in the replacement of the current image. I think we're going a little crazy with image changing, and I've said that before. So, the current image is a little out dated, but it's a clear shot of the group, and overall a nice image. LOK is on its way, and we need to be focusing our energy toward those pages. Finding information, leeks, rumors even, and get those pages where they need to be for when LOK airs this fall. Frankly, I think the only reason we should be messing with TLA pages is to get rid of their stub templates, their "needs help" templates, and clean them up so they don't sound like poop. I don't think we should be wasting our time making pointless decisions on images for pages that should have been 100% done and perfected 2 years ago. My point is, we need to be focusing our energy on the improving of the wikis informational quality, not the quality of its looks. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 15:54, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you on every issue, but I was very clear in this discussion as to why the current image needs to be replaced. If the current image is "overall a nice image" and it's good enough to be on the episode page, then it's good enough to be in all the other pages. So, [[:File:Kyoshi Warriors.[png]|Kyoshi Warriors.[png]]] doesn't need to be here and such replacement should be reverted. ? Thailog 18:58, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Just wait there one cotton picking minute. I think I may have found a way to retain both [[:File:Kyoshi Warriors.[png]|Kyoshi Warriors.[png]]] and [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]|Ep4-54.[png]]]. I think that I am correct when I say everyone is in favor of having each image on their own pages (Kyoshi Warriors and The Warriors of Kyoshi respectively), and the quality is good, and stuff like that. What if we took [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]|Ep4-54.[png]]], and then inserted it into either Suki, Kyoshi Warriors, or Fanon:The Kyoshi Warrior Chronicles, not as an infobox image, but as a content image. Would that work in having the image remain on the wiki? Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 19:40, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
No, because they depict the same thing, so having two similar images on the same page would be redundant. ? Thailog 20:36, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
What if it was on a fanon page? What then? Will94 (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 21:21, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
It would be replaced by [[:File:Kyoshi Warriors.[png]|Kyoshi Warriors.[png]]] because both depict the same subject! For the last time, we are not discussion whether we can keep both images, we are deciding which of the above proposed images will replace the current one. ? Thailog 22:50, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I just want to point out that this change isn't really a case of "I can change it, therefore I will". It is in our policy that we should try to use one image on as many pages as possible, which is the intention here. The old image here is only used on one page, which is a bit of a waste when images of a similar quality are also around. Because our articles are fairly complete, in terms of images, it's not too likely that this old image will be used in another place again. The 888th Avatar (talk) 00:30, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm with Ian on this. I don't get why [[:File:Ep4-54.[png]|Ep4-54.[png]]] should be replaced. And if it really did get replaced, then there's no use of the old picture. Should the wiki delete it? Is that the intention all along, to delete the picture? AvaFan MsgMe 01:43, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's the point - to replace the old image, because it's only used in one place - and then delete it. The 888th Avatar (talk) 03:40, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
But that was a pretty good shot of the kyoshi warriors... It would be a waste not to use that picture. AvaFan MsgMe 04:27, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
And the other picture was even better; it seemed to be the consensus. Said picture cannot be used on the episode page, however. And both cannot remain on file.
I would say the 1st picture is better than the 2nd for use, even though yes, it does center on Suki. The other one isn't very focused. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 04:35, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
I think the first image is a better capture because it is a better overall shot of the group. The second one includes Sokka for cripe's sake! He was part of the KWs for all of what, 2/3rds of an episode? Not to mention you hardly see their faces in the second shot. First shot is my choice. PSUAvatar14 (talkcontribs) 02:13, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Seconded with PSUAvatar14. I prefer the first picture.AvaFan MsgMe 04:44, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image will replace the current one.
Please do not edit this discussion.

Duel at Tu Zin


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File:Duelintown.[png]|Current version
File:The Chase Faceoff.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:TeamAvatar-ZukoIroh=Azula.[png]|Proposed replacement #2

I fell the need to change the image of Duel at Tu Zin because:

  1. Aang is 'moving'
  2. In the current image, we have the feel that Azula is the protagonist in the fight, but she's not, there is no protagonist in this fight
  3. There is 'fire above' Aang

My favorite image is the 1st one. Renatabls 01:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal approved for discussion. I don't understand your third reason, however. :S The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:01, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, there are probably better images, can we suggest more here? Anyway, for now, I prefer number three, as it outlines the 'alliance' between Team Avatar and Zuko/Iroh, but then again, the image depicts the almost climax of the battle, and something earlier on in the battle should be the image, but not the current one. Also, the second proposal is too far away, and it is hard to depict what is actually happening. Rassilon of Old (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 03:28, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Rass. I don't really like either picture. The first suggestion is too far away/can't really see the characters, looks like a shot of the buildings. And the last looks the best; but really doesn't show the 3-way duel since Iroh/Zuko are working with Team Avatar at the time. Um....I'm not sure on the answer for 'suggest another image'. 888? :) Vulmen (talkcontribs) 03:38, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
As per Vulmen and Rass, I prefer the current image which depicts a free-for-all duel although it's not the perfect picture of it. I'm all for any other suggested image. AvaFan MsgMe 04:31, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
I support the last one. The last image clearly shows all the actors involved, even if it does not show the whole duel. Since a picture depicts only one moment in time, we should go for one in the final phase of the fight. Also, it was Aang vs. Azula at the start of the event and Aang and Zuko did not fight each other as much. --AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 15:43, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

If there are not more, I prefer the first proposed image. I don't think the picture should show the final phase of the duel, but the start of it. Dcasawang1 (talk) 16:03, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

We show the main characters in their final phase - aka, the third season. Why not apply the same principle here? --AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 16:06, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
I think it's very different, because the reason of the images of characters in their final phase is the time, to have the most current image of each character (as they were real) due to the physical change they could have been undergone. In the case of duels or battles there is not this problem. Dcasawang1 (talk) 16:34, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I like the third image (change proposal 2). Thebiguglyalien (Yell at me here) 22:16, March 22, 2011 (UTC)


Opinions seem dispersed, so let's vote on it. ? Thailog 12:23, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Current image

Support Support — on the grounds that neither of the proposed images are any better than the current one, and therefore the image should not be replaced. Rassilon of Old (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 00:28, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support Support —Per Rassilon.AvaFan MsgMe 07:37, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal #1
  1. Dcasawang1 (talk) 18:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  2. I think that this one shows it much pbetter, it show's they are actually at Tu Zin. Toph-DoBS-2Toph Lover  Talk  Contribs  Following  08:18, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
  3. The other two images could be anywhere. In my opinion, this picture shows more detail. JaidynM (Talk) - (Blog) 10:23, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Proposal #2
  1. --AvatarRokusGhostAang Cosmic 19:07, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  2. This one is way better. 1stAvatar 04:04, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
  3. I agree with 1stKatara PL SpriteSkybender101  Talk  Contribs  Following  11:02, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
  4. It looks better. - Abby • 4/09/11 03:43 (UTC)
  5. Millennia2 01:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
  6. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 01:21, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be replaced with proposal #2.
Please do not edit this discussion.



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File:Katara_Film.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:Ng_07.[jpg]|Current picture

This is an actual in-film shot of film Katara. I think this one captures her good side don't you think? :D Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:11, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

PS - Something is up with wikia hosting at this time. The image is reverting back to the older copy on my computer. :-/ I may have to request the file to be deleted and re-upload again. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 13:37, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Approved. The 888th Avatar (talk) 14:08, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

:I would say definitely; yes. Eh; I didn't realize that the 'current shot' wasn't from the movie? Really? o_o' Vulmen (talkcontribs) 02:15, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Okay; do not play a switcheroo and bring a different picture than what was initially suggested to the table. The last one was more acceptable but this one is just a promotion and not in the movie. This is a definite do not use. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:30, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I think wikia image hosting/caching is acting up again. >:( Arggggh!!! It's shows up as in-film picture on my computer but the thumbnail shows the promo. Let me see if I can re-upload as a different file name. Grrr... Hasdi (talkcontribs) 01:51, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
OK, Vulmen. I uploaded as a different file name. I marked the old file for deletion: [[:File:Katara_film_headshot.[png]]] Sorry for the confusion. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 02:04, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Yep, I do support this new image. And where is everyone else to state their thoughts on these pictures? *Pokes the wiki* Vulmen (talkcontribs) 02:24, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently the current picture is a picture exclusive by ACESHOWBIZ. It looks like a production shot, Nicola looking at something while the stunt guys rehearsed in the background. :-/ But yeah, I watched the third act of the movie several times but I never ran into that particular scene. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 07:59, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe that part was took of, but anyway, i like the proposed one. Renata Talk 02:28, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Proposed one, definitely. It's much better, she's smiling, and her face doesn't looks so... —Haybernathy talk 02:29, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Then current one is not terrible, but I think the proposed one portrays her much better. --AvatarRokusGhostARGOzai-sprite2 06:50, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Well, if the current one is not from the movie, then no way it should be used! —Haybernathy talk 06:52, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

No doubt I prefer the proposed picture. I wouldn't say it portrays her well (you know what I mean), but it's definitely a joyful welcome from those emotionless shots of her. AvaFan MsgMe 14:27, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

It's over three(3) days since 888 approved the proposal. Since I hear no further objections (aside from the situation with wikia image hosting) so I am going to go ahead and update this pic in about 15 minutes. Gracias, everyone! :-) Hasdi (talkcontribs) 02:17, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Hasdi, it's "3 days with no attention". There was still activity here so it really would be another 3-ish days. However; I think in light of the situation with Katara's image it surely should be closed and accepted anyway. :) Vulmen (talkcontribs) 03:12, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
ACK! I'm so sorry. I'll behave next time.(^_^') I do notice you lightened up the Katara's pic but it looks cool. I need to figure out why my DVD screenshots look like it was captured thru 3D glasses. @_@ Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:20, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

I like the preposed picture with one exception, I can see that it slightly cuts off the top of her head. Other than that, I think it is a great photo. VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 15:40, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be replaced with proposal #1.
Please do not edit this discussion.



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File:Appa_film_cropped.[png]|Proposed replacement #1(c)
File:Appa_Film.[png]|Proposed replacement #1(b)
File:Appacloseup.[png]|Current picture

This in an in-film shot of film Appa. This similar to the one we have but it is properly cropped and is of better quality. TQ. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:54, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Approved. The 888th Avatar (talk) 14:08, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Hm. It's a little on the dark side, isn't it? It's the same picture, just closer, and darker. I like it; it's just that it's dark. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 02:17, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Or maybe the current picture is lighter after going through analog TV capture process? Mine was screen captured straight from DVD but I suppose I could Photoshop it lighter. :-/ Does the lighting in the proposed picture still look good if you cover up/ignore the current picture? Hasdi (talkcontribs) 08:06, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
All it takes is just a little lightening. Then of course yes it's fine. ^^" Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:31, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I updated it with a lightened-up image but I am having similar issues with the proposed Film:Katara. I am going check back in a few hours to see if the problem persist. Otherwise, I have upload the image as a different filename. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, looks like I have to use a new filename. :-( Is the lighting to your liking, Vulmen? :-) Hasdi (talkcontribs) 13:51, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I touched it up a little more too, so you can actually see the detail on his face. And for this it's the same photo, just enhanced, so using the same filename is acceptable. ^^" However......the change hasn't updated yet LOL. Stupid wiki cache. :| Hard refreshes and "?action=purge" isn't fixing it. It'll show up before too long I hope. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 14:03, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
As 888 said..forget it. New filename done. Old file deleted. So; in agreement this is good? Vulmen (talkcontribs) 14:25, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yup. It's better. =DAvaFan MsgMe 14:29, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
This being said, I much prefer the proposed replacement - 1b/with the lighting of course. --AvatarRokusGhostARGOzai-sprite2 14:32, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Uhm... I think the touched-up picture made Appa too "reddish". :-/ I found a [jpg movie still from Paramount]. I cropped without any brightness/contrast adjustment. Image 1(c) What do you guys think? :-) Hasdi (talkcontribs) 00:34, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
PS - The old picture [[:File:Appa_film.[png]]] marked for deletion. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 00:41, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
4+ days has passed "with no attention" so if its OK, I'll be using Image #1(c). TQ. :-) ---Hasdi (talkcontribs) 01:13, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be replaced with proposal #1(c).
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File:Iroh_film_headshot.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:Iroh-film-headshot-1.[png]|Current picture

This is my proposed profile image for Film:Iroh. I believe this picture best personify his character - kind, trustworthy, and a spiritual person. Also, the current picture is apparently from a trailer which did not made it to the final cut. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 06:06, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Approved. Dcasawang1 (talk) 15:57, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the change. The current picture even looks silly. lol Vulmen (talkcontribs) 16:44, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
The proposed one is better but I think it is not very bright. The current one is not good but it is bright. – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 16:46, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
If we're just randomly throwing out opinions, I prefer the replacement, as the current makes him look as if he's saying, "Seriously? This is the best you could come up with?" TAD, theavatardemotivator - talk 16:51, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
To point out Hasdi, the current picture is in fact taken from the final cut. Remember that one scene where Iroh reminded Zuko to put his hood up and keep himself warm using his chi? I think they used dialogue from other scenes and dubbed over that scene in the trailer that picture was taken. I like the proposed picture though. :)--KaneC (talkcontribs) 17:06, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
I actually went over that scene again. Did I mention that it was shorten - half the lines thrown out? ;-( Hasdi (talkcontribs) 17:12, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Like, "Ever since I lost my son, I think of you as my own."? And I don't think Iroh's lines from the TV spots where that picture was taken were from that scene. (shrugs)--KaneC (talkcontribs) 03:25, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Close. "Zuko... You have always been like a son to me." >:( But yes, some lines from the trailers don't match with the lines from their movies. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:35, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
That line should've been kept in the movie, along with a full version of Katara convincing Aang that "we're your family now" back at the Southern Air Temple. With that, at least we sense a connection between the characters.--KaneC (talkcontribs) 03:38, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't even realize we had such a poor quality shot of Film:Iroh as his profile pic, and an odd-looking one at that. Thanks Hasdi for proposing the change! AvaFan MsgMe 04:02, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

My total support on this one. Renata Talk 20:26, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

The proposed replacement is great. I support this.Katara PL SpriteBack for Korra Folks :)  Talk  Contribs  Following  20:32, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Image updated after "3+ days with no attention". Thank you! :-) --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:33, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be replaced with proposal #1.
Please do not edit this discussion.



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File:Momo_film.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:TLA_momo.[jpg]|Current image

I believe the proposed picture is clearer and better personify his character. Most Momo's full frontal images are blurry because he just can't keep still! xP Hasdi (talkcontribs) 13:43, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Approved. Dcasawang1 (talk) 13:55, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
I agree, the quality is better and we can see the face. Dcasawang1 (talk) 13:55, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Being able to see it's face actually creeps me out a little. But anyway, I prefer the proposed picture per DC's reason. AvaFan MsgMe 14:16, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Yup, the proposed picture is clearer. Personify his character, er, in what way? Especially since it does not have a personality to begin with. :P--KaneC (talkcontribs) 14:20, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely support this. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 00:09, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
@AvaFan IKR Haha..I was thinking the same thig hehe!TruAvatarFan (talkcontribs) 03:33, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
"3+ days with no discussion". here we go! :-) --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 04:25, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

I support it. Renata Talk 01:50, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be replaced with proposal #1.
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Some wikians insist I go to this process before changing any info_box pictures. o.0 Some film character pages badly needs revised pictures (properly sized and cropped) that best personify the characters. I request time to review some of these pages and update the pictures accordingly. Thank you. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 15:57, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Examples? When you have them. --AvatarRokusGhost 16:35, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
@ARG, see Film:Katara. The image has been changed. But yeah, can you give examples of what the images should be changed? – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 16:41, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
If the rules of AW applies in the movie namespace as well, the current image for Film:Katara is unacceptable. It has to be a clear shot of her in the movie, and not off a poster. AvaFan MsgMe 02:34, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
The previous picture wasn't in the movie as well... Hasdi (talkcontribs) 02:48, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Yes; I believe AvaFan is right there. When proposing an image change the 'new picture' is shown here, with the 'old picture' beside it as a comparison. Look in our archives to see how they are done. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 02:39, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
There is only a few images I have issues with, several others just need cropping, and resolution/quality/cropping fix. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:08, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Just dropping a note: The image cache is currently seriously borked. Trying to upload a different version of an image over an original has not really been working recently. At the moment, it might be better just to upload a whole different image altogether to avoid frustration. The 888th Avatar (talk) 14:17, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
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File:Aang_film_headshot_6b.[png]|Proposed replacement #5(a)
File:Aang_film_headshot.[jpg]|Current picture

I'm not sure if this can be changed, but this is a much cooler picture of Aang in the movie.--KaneC 08:11, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

I put this in the right section. Even so, I think we need a good headshot. Be right back. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 08:19, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Uploaded wrong picture, the one above was supposed to be the possible replacement.--KaneC 08:28, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Ooh, number 2 looks like a better picture!--KaneC 08:52, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Not quite the substantial reason to change a profile image we look for, but I'll let this one slip through. Approved for discussion. :) The 888th Avatar (talk) 11:53, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
The current picture is in-film picture and is a decent headshot. It's fuzzier than I would like (probably due to poor JPEG compression) but I don't like it because it was taken when Aang was in despair. In that scene, the Moon Spirit has been killed so the city was overrun by Fire Nation soldiers. Aang was normally cheerful and upbeat until he learned about the Air Nomad genocide. After that he was consumed by guilt, which blocked his Water Chakra. There are more good headshots of him being upbeat, e.g., in the Kyoshi Village being thrown by flowers, but in most cases he turns his head too fast that the headshots are blurry while, others are too small or too close-up. :-( The headshot I am proposing is him looking up slightly but that's probably OK. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 14:15, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Propsed replacement number two is much better than the earlier one. I'll use the other picture somewhere else then.--KaneC 14:18, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Hmm.. I actually disagree with the suggested picture changes. The first one he is practicing Waterbending; the second one he is displayed as happy and carefree. And I disagree that he was shown to be happy most of the time...throughout the movie he seemed to be as stated; wracked with mental weight. The image should capture how the character's personality is, and frankly; him all chipper and happy just isn't Ong. The current picture is better for his personality at the moment. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:34, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yup, Aang and Ong are too completely different people. One stays happy despite all the terrible circumstances, the other turns emo throughout the entire movie and hopefully becomes happier by the next one. Though number two is a nice--KaneC 04:26, June 4, 2011 (UTC)--
Not throughout the entire movie, just after Southern Air Temple, he was consumed by guilt. See, it's kind of hard to appreciate the cruelty done to the character if you don't establish him as an upbeat and cheerful person in the beginning. Even after became upset and he ran away, he was being positive while talking to Katara in the igloo. Only then, the audience can go "arrghh!!! how could you do this him, M.Night! You are so mean!" The finale had impact when he finally forgave himself and let go of his guilt. His next emotional muck is fear I think. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 14:28, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
The second one is better. It is a little blurry but he is an airbender so waterbending shouldn't be the main occupation in the photo. Abby6/04/11 04:22 (UTC)

Having a dilemma here. Though I prefer happy sunshine faces from gloomy emo ones, I can't help but consider his personality during most parts of the movie. Err... which scene is #2 taken from again? AvaFan MsgMe 14:37, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Remember the scene where Aang escaped from Zuko's ship? He noticed the presence of Appa when that scene #2 took place. Though I wished they actually show Aang struggling to escape from Zuko before Appa shows up, rather than one long take with Aang looking around and then smiled when he noticed Appa. And yeah, having Aang being gloomy for most of the movie kinda defeats the purpose of his original personality (being basically a cheerful kid even after the deaths of his own kind).--KaneC 14:49, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Now I remember! Yeah, that scene also baffles my mind. Anyways, having a cheerful Katara profile pic seems fine to me, but no can do for Ong the supposedly-non-emo protagonist.... AvaFan MsgMe 15:21, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
You see, even though Gyatso and the other Air Nomads are gone, Aang still managed to be his happy self because he has a new family now (Katara and Sokka). The same cannot be said for Ahng, since he still looked scared and confused after that unfortunate discovery.--KaneC 15:24, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Here is the thing. If someone you know is normally cheerful, then acts gloomy for the whole week, then you know something is really really bothering him so feel sorry for the guy. Like in Sozin's Comet episodes - Aang was emotionally conflicted for most of the storyline. Since we know Aang is normally cheerful, we feel for his dilemma. In the movie, Aang was established to be normally cheerful person in Act I, beginning of Act II, and in the flash back scenes. Then, he found about the everyone he knew was dead just because he ran away. Without establishing his cheerful nature, the audience will go, "he's always gloomy so it's no big deal that he's being gloomy now." I realize that in the series, he got over the genocide fairly quickly, but the movie was exploring his emotional guilt, which he eventually let go in the finale. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 02:41, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Well, in the series, at least Aang is still bugged over the death of Gyatso and the others even though he still displayed his happy persona in the series. It wasn't until he told his story to Katara that he finally got over it and finally accepted his duty. The line, "I wasn't there when the Fire Nation attacked my people. I'm going to make a difference this time.", pretty much sums up Aang finally getting over his guilt and will do anything he can to help others. Just my two cents.--KaneC 02:49, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Remember the deleted scenes like "Talk to the Dead"? In the MTV interview:
  • "What I found was... the audience wants to take this seriously," he explained. "They want this to be real and important to everyone, and if a character is being too silly, they go, 'Okay, I guess he's not very upset. I guess there's not a big threat. I guess the fact that an entire culture's been wiped out is not a big deal.'"
I don't know where these test-screeners came from, but they could use a sense of humor. xP Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:37, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the audience wanted the movie to be more "realistic", but that does not mean eradicate the humor almost entirely. In fact, that deleted scene is ridiculous. Sokka spanking a Fire Nation soldier, a bunch of African villagers doing a tribal dance to celebrate their victory, everything there looks stupid even by A:TLA standards. To quote 888, "Suspense for two hours is not suspenseful. Chopping and changing with lighter themes provides a more even balance, and so when there are action/mystery/suspense scenes, the impact is greater. The Last Airbender failed partly because it couldn't get this balance right. Being serious for two hours is immensely boring. The decision to cut scenes with humour in them was a very, very poor idea. I argue that the film would have done a lot better critically if it had cut some serious, but non-essential plot points rather than the lighter material." So this means the movie can be more serious, yet keep the emotions and themes that makes A:TLA a brilliant series intact. One question, why would the Gaang be promoting Aang's return when they should be going straight to the North Pole? -_-'--KaneC 03:46, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
All that is irrelevant, if the suggested picture still fails to capture Aang's typical persona in the movie. And that just isn't him, it's like the Aang we expected to see but did not. I still must say no to this. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 03:48, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
The discussion on cutting the humor in TLA is in the TLA2 page. In the meantime, perhaps the current picture is to stay. :P--KaneC 03:53, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. If Ahng is to appear cheerful throughout in TLA2, I believe it wouldn't be too late to bring this proposal up again =). AvaFan MsgMe 03:58, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
We'll if we want his profile image to look like that, at least get his good side with proper lighting. The current picture is blurry and has been retouched to remove the redness (to compensate for the Moonlight turning red). xP Hasdi (talkcontribs) 04:32, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
To that I am in agreement. The new proposed #3 I accept for his picture. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 04:39, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Per Vulmen, I think proposal #3 is acceptable. --AvatarRokusGhostARGOzai-sprite2 04:43, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Ditto. BTW, Hasdi, mind if we discuss about cutting the lighter material on the TLA2 page? It's been an hour since I last posted it.:P--KaneC 04:48, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

I prefer proposed replacement #3, mainly because I think it is brighter and it a better headshot that the other one, plus in the current picture, (how do I describe this...) he doesn't look like himself.VJavatar The Last Wikibender(AR)[[Video:VJ seal.[jpg]|25px]] 15:44, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

I have another screenshot with similar facial expression but him facing front, instead of 3/4 profile. I like #3 better than the current, but #4 is better still. xD Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:10, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
It may not be perfect, but Proposed Replacement 4 is the best so far, in my mind. I thought one from the Air Temples would be nice. --AvatarRokusGhostARGOzai-sprite2 03:13, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know, all three pictures made him look so sad. T_T I think there is no need to change the profile pic.--KaneC (talkcontribs) 03:45, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
He is suppose to look sad in his profile pic, lol. I prefer #3 because it has equivalent lighting on his face, compared to #4. AvaFan MsgMe 03:55, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Though of all the pictures above, only the current one is plot-related. He was in doubt as he did not know what to do with the moon gone. (Though I thought that picture was in red.)--KaneC (talkcontribs) 04:00, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Well, the proposed images depicts his gloomy, depressed self throughout the plot, y'know, because of his inability to take up responsibility (and also the sad fact that the entire race is gone). AvaFan MsgMe 04:13, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
"Plot relevance"? We don't need a picture that is "plot relevant". That could be anything; him at the Earthbender Prison, him getting Appa back, him during the Blue Spirit. No; we need a picture that captures his persona and is a good front shot. I'm not saying the current image is horrible, but the suggested ones at least are more detailed, better lighting, and a more clear frontal picture. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 04:16, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Oh. But the point is, since the current picture already captured the persona enough, and the other pictures are pretty much the same (save for better lighting and all), I think the current picture is still the best. P.S.-Aang looked pretty confused in the suggested pictures, but in the current picture, his emotion is significant.--KaneC (talkcontribs) 08:55, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome to recapture that scene, filter out the redness again, and lighten it up for proposal #5 (don't forget to correct for the aspect ratio). I tried that but the picture ended up "grainy" and "blurry" like the current picture. I prefer simple cropping without any touch-up. If you mess up the picture too much, it looks "fake". To me, the suggested pictures all have similar facial expression with the current picture. Although, he looked more "lost" in the current picture but more "concerned" in Image #2. Despite uneven lighting on his face, he looks more respectable and good-looking in Image #4. My opinion, anyway. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 13:56, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Nah, I think the current picture is still the best. It was more to his persona and captures that scene nicely. Though I wished Aang smiled a little more even after the discovery of Gyatso's remains. :P--KaneC (talkcontribs) 14:01, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
@KaneC, do you feel better with the current image being replaced if [[:File:TLA_film_Aang_Redmoon.[png]|this screenshot]] is already in Film:Aang? Personally, I don't think any of the images is "more to his persona" - I just want Noah Ringer to look good. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 02:39, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Well, Aang already looked good in the current profile pic. In fact, the proposed pictures are the result of bad facial expressions, but the current one is genuine.--KaneC (talkcontribs) 02:44, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
The safest action is to keep the same image, but I still think it is too dark, and may need some cropping. For additional consideration, please review image #5(a) and #5(b). TQ. -- Hasdi (talkcontribs) 03:28, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Number 5 is much better. :)--KaneC (talkcontribs) 03:32, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
I still prefer 4 but out of the newer ones I prefer 5a. --AvatarRokusGhostARGOzai-sprite2 03:34, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
5a, it is.--KaneC (talkcontribs) 03:36, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
[[:File:Aang_film_headshot_6a.[png]|Image 5(b)]] is taken out. If you have to eliminate between Image 3 and Image 4, which would take out? --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 04:06, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Image 3. At least Image 4, his face means something (when he found out that the Southern Air Temple isn't what it used to be).--KaneC (talkcontribs) 04:10, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, can we decide between Image 4 and Image 5(a)? :-/ --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 14:26, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
PS - Looking at the images side-by-side, Image 5(a) actually looks decent. :-) --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 14:27, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
I'll go with image 5 (a) please.--KaneC (talkcontribs) 14:35, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm.. no changes yet. Well, if we're short on votes, I choose 5(a) over 4, for the same lighting issues. AvaFan MsgMe 02:00, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Works for me. Image 5(a) is (hopefully) the final proposal. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 02:13, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wokay, 3++ days with no discussion. Image 5(a) it is! Hasdi (talkcontribs) 10:48, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image 5(a) will replace the current one.
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Zuko_film_headshot.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
Last_airbender_zuko_photo.[jpg]|current image

I propose replacing Film:Zuko profile image with this one. The current image is a promo picture, not shown in the movie. The proposed image is cropped from a screenshot where Zuko was about to fight Zhao, but Iroh told him to walk away. I believe this image better define his character as very conflicted person. :-/ The image has been touched up to compensate for the darkness. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 23:01, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:24, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely use it. It's not seemingly one of his best shots...but, it sure beats the other pic not being in the film. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely, use the proposed one. – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 15:48, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
I agree that that the image needs to be changed, but I think the proposed image is too blurry.... 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 20:24, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'm agreeable with this, but good headshots of Zuko are kind of difficult to find. If you can find a good in-film headshot please put it here. Preferably in good lighting without any touch-up. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 20:48, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
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The proposed image 1 will replace the current one.
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Kanna_film_headshot_1.[png]|Proposed replacement #1(b)
Kanna_Film.[jpg]|Current image

I propose replacing Film:Kanna profile image with this one. The proposed image is the from the same scene but properly cropped, and better closeup IMO. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 01:44, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:24, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
She freaks me out. But, er, I mean yeah go for it. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
lol I support the proposed one. – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 15:48, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
Definitelly needs to be changed, however the proposed image I think is too close up, and I don't think we should use any image that isn't a profile shot. I think we need one that doesn't cut off the top of her head, and shows down to her shoulders. Also the proposed image is kind of dark in my opinion. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 20:27, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Click on the photo. It doesn't look as dark at 250px width, which will be in the character page. It's too find a good headshot without her head being cut off. Best I could do. If find a better headshot, please post it here. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 20:48, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Uploaded one with brighter lighting. It's my first try experimenting with photobucket, so... how's it? AvaFan MsgMe 07:53, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
It looks washed out. :-( I rather not touch up the image if I don't have too, you lose color resolution everytime you do that. For the same reason, I am not happy lightening up Film:Zuko but I can't find any good Zuko headshots in better lightning. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 16:54, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
How about 1(b), auto-corrected? :-/ --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 18:11, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Yea, let's definitely go for 1(b). I tried auto-correcting it yesterday but it didn't turn out well. :( Better leave the auto-correcting to the experts ^^". AvaFan MsgMe 09:12, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
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The proposed image 1(b) will replace the current one.
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Gyatso_film_headshot_1.[png]|Proposed replacement #1(a)
Gyatso_Film.[png]|Current image

I propose replacing Film:Gyatso profile image with this one. The proposed image is the from the same scene but properly cropped and of the correct aspect ratio. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 01:48, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:24, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
The suggested shot looks better to me. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
I support the proposed one. – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 15:48, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
The proposed image is a good suggestion, but again... it's too dark, the shadowing distorts the left side of his face. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 20:30, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Click on the photo. It doesn't look as dark at 250px width, which will be in the character page. Let me know if the shadowing is still a problem. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 20:48, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
If we could just touch up on the lighting, then it would be perfect. AvaFan MsgMe 07:44, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
How about 1(a), auto-corrected? --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 18:14, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely. Wow, you're really good at this auto-correct stuff. Either that, or I have much to learn. =D AvaFan MsgMe 09:14, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
All I did is just use Microsoft Office Picture Manager hit "Auto Correct". xP Another option is under Picture|Brightness and Contrast then "Auto Brightness" but usually "Auto Correct" does the trick. :D --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 09:33, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The proposed image 1(a) will replace the current one.
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Sokka_film_headshot_1.[png]|Proposed replacement #1(a)
Nmnmn.[jpg]|Current image

I propose replacing Film:Sokka profile image with this one. The current image is not in the movie, a promo shot. The proposed image is from the movie and properly cropped. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 01:52, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:24, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah; it's more of a picture of them than a far away still. I'm up for it. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Anyone here expects me to disapprove with the proposed one? Then sorry, I support the proposed one. :P – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 15:48, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
It does need to be changed, but like I said about the old lady's proposed replacement, we need an image that doesn't cut off the top of his head, and isn't so dark. To me the proposed image is too dark compared to the current. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 20:28, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Click on the photo. It doesn't look as dark at 250px width, which will be in the character page. Again, it's hard to find a good headshot without the head being cut off slightly. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 20:48, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
How about image 1(a), auto-correted? --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 18:17, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Per my reply at Gyatso's :). AvaFan MsgMe 09:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
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The proposed image 1(a) will replace the current one.
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Pakku_film_headshot_1.[png]|Proposed replacement #1(a)
Pakku_film.[jpg]|Current image

I propose replacing Film:Pakku profile image with this one. The proposed image is the from the scene but clearer, and cropped. Hasdi (talkcontribs) 00:25, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Approved for discussion. The 888th Avatar (talk) 02:24, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely accepted here. Vulmen (talkcontribs) 01:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Here too. – Natsu11 · (wallNanatsu no Taizai) 15:48, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
A good shot, It's not as dark as the rest of the proposed, but I think if we could lighten it up just a bit it would be perfect. 1KB*~~Ian Bernard~~*1KB| 20:31, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Click on the photo. It doesn't look as dark at 250px width, which will be in the character page. --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 20:48, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a much better close up shot, and the lighting is not much of an issue. Definitely agree with the proposed image. AvaFan MsgMe 07:23, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... methinks I should correct the brighness/contrast with this Pakku as well. Auto-correct does not work this time, so I had to adjust this manually. What do you guys think of proposed image 1(a)? --Hasdi (talkcontribs) 19:08, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Image 1(a) looks perfect to me. --AvatarRokus Ghost (Message meRead my fanon) Aang Cosmic Toph-DoBS-2 19:31, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Better, as always. :) AvaFan MsgMe 08:49, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
This discussion is closed. The result of this discussion was:
The current image will be replaced with proposal #1(a).
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File:Ep60-1271.[png]|Proposed replacement #2
File:Ep60-1285.[png]|Proposed replacement #3

I would like to propose the change of the Template:Delete, i'm not sure if this is the right place to do it (because it is a template) but since Ozai's picture was changed this means that the image of the template was changed too. The phrase "It does not deserve to exist in this world, in my world." does not match the current image of the template. This phrase has too much..."power" and "anger" and the current image is a calm Ozai, so it should be changed. I have here 3 options i personally have the third one as my favorite. Renatabls 32px|link=User:Renatabls/Zuko's_Life 16:36, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

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File:Azula0001.[png]|Current image
File:Sadistic Azula.[png]|Proposed replacement

I feel the image must be changed, as the current image represents Azula in a stable state of mind, which is not the case in the series finale. The proposed image somewhat shows Azula's sadistic and mentally unstable nature, and is also a closer shot of her face. The current image is very bright, and distractingly blurred by the guards in the background. Also the ratio of the sizing is better, and relates to the infobox images on the rest of the wiki )canon articles). Rassilon of Old (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 12:26, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

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Profile images are supposed to depict a typical representation of a character, which the proposed image does not. Azula was stable in 99,+% of her appearances, thus making the proposed photo a misrepresentation of an overall calm character. As for the guards, it has been addressed that they are in the field on depth, so they do not detract from the quality of the image (the proposed one has guards too). Once again, I'll remind everyone that "quality" is not a reason to change an image for a different one, and the current one is a DVD capture, so its quality is as good as it can get. Also, the ration of the proposed one is actually incorrect. Finally, no one has ever said that close ups are good, in fact I think most have agreed that we should avoid them whenever possible, this being the case. ? Thailog 14:16, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
I understand your points here, but I would have to disagree. Azula was not calm for 99% of the time, I believe she started to lose her sanity after The Boiling Rock, Part 2, and before The Southern Raiders. If you look at the images of Azula fighting at the Western Air Temple, you can see her facial expression being excessively happy whilst Firebending at Zuko, when usually she would be very calm. She was sane enough to peform that amazing hairpin flip to the wall, but she was definitely slipping. I agree with the fact that closeups are not necesarily any better, but I believe this is close enough to be able to see most of her facial features, whilst in the current image it is much harder. Also on the point of guards, in the background of this image you can see the Fire Sages, much higher in authority than guards, but this is not a reason for the proposed changing. I still believe this image to be a more informative representation of Azula's character, as it is in the latest episodes of Avatar: The Last Airbender, which is what we want. Rassilon of Old (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 19:50, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
Regardless of how many episodes in which she lost her temper, depicting her as a deranged lunatic is a misrepresentation. What we want, is a typical representation of the character, and she was typically calm. ? Thailog 07:54, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
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Anyway, so I was wondering if perhaps we could change the Azula infobox image. I find the current picture to be rather low in quality, and worse yet has two, close and blurred guards in the background. I think that these picture I have picked are better then the current one. So here they are by link:


So which ones do you think should be used for the Azula infobox image? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azure Burns (talkcontribs). This note was added on 04:09, January 23, 2012 (UTC).

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File:Fire Lord Zuko.[png]|Proposed replacement
File:Zuko 0001.[png]|Current picture

I think it looks better than the current picture.

Yes yes yes! The new one is better. : )  Abby7/16/11 18:38 (UTC)
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File:Suki The Ember Island Players.[png]|Proposed replacement #1
File:Suki.[jpg]|current image

This image shows a more current version of Suki (The Ember Island Players), shows her without her Kyoshi Warrior makeup, which, more often than not, she is not wearing, and shows her personality better, as in the current image, she appears more conceited and cocky, whereas here, she is more friendly-and-welcoming-looking. MRtG _**Sana**_ 00:34, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

It's okay, I guess, but a bit too much of a close-up. Plus, we'd actually prefer an image that shows her in her Kysohi Warrior attire. The Ultimate Waterbender 00:38, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Current one. Abby7/16/11 18:37 (UTC)
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